Skip to content
UAP LEDGER
NASA

NASA-UAP-D021: Gemini 7 Technical Debriefing, 1965

Released: June 12, 2026

This document is a preliminary transcript derived from voice recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing conducted December 19-21, 1965, at the Cr…

Full Document Text

Text extracted directly from the source PDF. Text extraction via abigailhaddad/ufo-releases; original file at war.gov.

Read the full text (200,000 characters)
--- PAGE 1 ---
I

        Authority:
        NW 91526



\


                             GEMINI                VII

                     TECHNICAL                DEBRIEFING




                     December 23, 1965



                      NOTICE: This document may be exempt from
                      public disclosure under the Freedom of lnfor•
                      mation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its re­
                      lease to persons outside the U. S. Government
                      should be handled under the provisions of
                      NASA Policy Directive 1382.2.

--- PAGE 2 ---


--- PAGE 3 ---
PREFACE

      This preliminary transcript was made from voice

tape recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing

conducted December 19 through December 21 , 1965 at the

Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida.

      Although all the material contained in this transcript

has been rough edited, the urgent need for the preliminary

t ranscript by mission analysis personnel precluded a final

edit prior to its publication.

--- PAGE 4 ---
-   - - - - - - - - -- - - -- - - --

--- PAGE 5 ---
TABLE OF CONTENTS

    Paragraph                                                                       Page Number
    1.0    COUNTDOWN
           1.1 Crew Insertion . ...................... ............. . 1
           1.2 Comm:un.ications . .......•.•.. .......•...........•..• . 1
           l.3 Crew Participation in Countdown ....................l
           l.4 Comfort . .................. .......................• . 1
           l.5 Environmental Control System...............•..•.... 2
           l.6 Sounds . ..•...•••.••..•.••• •••..•••••••••••••••••••• 2
           l.7 Vibrations ........................ ................. 2
           1.8 Visual . .................... ........................ 2
           l.9 Crew Station Controls and Displays ................. 3


    2.0    POWERED FLIGHT
           2.1 Lift-Off cues·••·••••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••3
           2.2 Roll Program . .................. .................... 4
           2.3 Pitch Program. . .........•............. .............. 4
           2.4    Aerod.y"namics • ••••••••••••.•.• •••••••••••••• •••• •••• 5
           2.5    Environmental Control System ....... .•...........••. 5
           2.6    Maximum q . ........................... .............. 5
           2.7  Windsheaz- ......•......•.....••......• •....•...••.•• 6
           2.8 DCS Upd.ates • •••.•.••..•......••.. ••.•••.•••••••. • •• 6
           2.9 :Engine 1 Operation . . . ........... ................... 6
           2.10 :Engine 2 Status . ..................... ...... ..... ... 7
           2.11 Acceleration g's••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••7
           2.12POG0 .......•........•...•.. •.....•...••.•...•.•..•. 7
           2.13 Guidance Initiation............. ... .. .............. 7
           2 .14 BECO • •.•.•••..••...•..•...........•...••..•. •...••. 8
           2 .15 Stagi.ng' . ..... . .......... . ,. ... o • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 8
           2 . 16 E]ngin.e 2 Ignition . ................ ................. 9
           2.17 RGS Initiate.•••••••••••••••••• ••••••••• •••••• •••• • 9
e
           2.18 GO/NO GO e1 • •• • • •• •• • • •• • •••••••••••• • • ••••••••••••••9
           2.19 Systems Status•••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••9
           2.20 Acceleration o• •••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••lO
            2.21 Fairing Jettison •••• • •• • ~••••·•••••••••••• ••• •• ·••10

           INSERTION
           3.1 Post-SEC0 ...............•.... ..................... 10
           3.2 SECO plus 30 seconds ....•..•.. ••.................• 11

--- PAGE 6 ---
14.0   TRAINI NG
       14.1    Gemini Missi on Simulator ...........•••••••185
       14. 2   DCPS (Launch abort simulat or) ....•.••••••• 191
       14. 3   MAC Engineering Simulator ........••.••.••• 191
       14.4    Translation and Docking Tr ainer ...•.•••••• 192
       14 . 5 Planet ari um. . ........................••••• •193
       14. 6   Systems Brief inga ...............•.•••••••• 194
       14 . 7  Flight Experiments .............••.•••••••• 198
       14.8    Spacecra f t syst ems tests .......••.•••••••• 202
       14.9    Egress t r aining....................••.•••• 204
       14.10 Parachute Tr a ining..•.........•...•.•••••• 205
       14.11 Launch simulationa .................••••••• 206
       14.12 Reentry simulations ..........•........•••. 206
       14.13 Simul ated net work simulations ...•..••••••• 206
       14.14 Ne t work s imula tions .............•..••••••• 206
       14.15 Fl ight Plan t r a i ning...............••.••.• 207


15.0   CONCLUDING COMMENTS ...•....••........•........... 208

--- PAGE 7 ---
LANDING AND RECOVERY
       7.1     Impact . ........... ... . ...••.•. •. •.•••••• • • • • • • • • • 54
       7.2 Checklists . ....... ....................... • • • • • • • • 55
       7.3 Communicatione ..••......•••••••••.••.•.••••.•.••• 55
       7.4     Systems Configuration.•••••··••••••••••••••••••••58
       7.5 Spacecraft Status.••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••59
       7.6 Postlanding Activity..............•.............. 62
       7.7 Comi•ort . ...•............•..••••• •.•.••.••••...••• 63
       7.e Recovery Force Personnel ..•.....•...•..•.......... 63
       7.9 F.g"ress • .••.•. • •••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••• 63
       7.10 S1.lrVival Gear . ..•............•....... .........•.. 63
       7.11 Crew Pick UP••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••64

8.0    SYSTEMS OPERATION
       8.1 Plat form ...... . •....... .......................... 64
       8.2 O.AMS • .• ••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••• 65
       0.3 RCS . ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • • ••• • • • • ••• • • 73
       e.4     ECS . ..........•.••..•..... ..•................ • ... 75
       0.5     Commun.ications . .............................. ....91
       8.6 Electrical . ..................................... . 95
       0.7 Onboard Computer..•.........•••••••.....•••...• .• 99
       0.0     Crew Station ...•.............•..•.. ..•..........101
       0.9 Biomedical ....•••••••...•.••.••.••.•• .••.•....•. 115

       OPERATIONAL CHECKS
       9.1     Apollo Landmark Investigation •••.•..•.•.....•... 122
       9.2     Cabin Lighting Survey.••• •••• •••••••••••••••••••130
       9.3 HF' Test .•• •••• ••.••.•••• •• •••·••••••••.•••••• •.. 130

1O.O   VISUAL SIGHTINGS
       10.1     Cou.ntdo"Wll • •••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • 131
       10 .2    Powered Flight••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••l31
       10.3     Orbital Flight.••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••132
       10.4     Reentry . ...•••.•.•..•..• ••...•..•..•.......... . 138




                           -
                                                        -

--- PAGE 8 ---
Insertion Act ivities ............................15
             Post Station Keeping...........•................17

      ORBI TAL FLIGHT . ..............••.•................... . 18


5.0   RETROFIRE
      5.1 TR-2: 00 Power Up and Alignment Checklists ....... 32

      5. 2 TR-26 Events ............•.....•..••..•.......•.. 33
      5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Clock.........•................... 34

      5.4 TR- 256 .................... • • • • •. • • •. • •. • .. •. • • • .34

      5. 5   TR- 1 . •• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •• • .34

      5. 6 TR-0. • • ••• • • •. • • •• •. • • •• • • • • •• •. • • •••• • • • • • •• • • • 35
      5. 7 Retropack Jettison .............................. 40
      5.8    Commwiicatione .................................. 41
      5.9 Upda ting........................................ 41
      5.10 Post Retro Jettison Checklist ................... 42

6.0   REENTRY
      6.1    Reentry Parameters Update ....................... 42
      6.2    400 K . ••••••.•••.••••••••••• • • • • • • • • • • • •••••••• • 43
      6.3    Acceleration Profile ...•..•...•.................47
      6.4    Spacecraft Control .••.....•.....................47
      6.5    100 K . ....••.•.•....•..•............•... ~ ....... 48
      6.6    50 K . ...••..............••...•••................48
      6.7    35 K Checklist .••.•..•..•..•.•..••..•.•......... 49
      6.8    Comm'W'l.icationa ••.•.•••••.••..••••••••••...•.•... 49
      6.9 26 K Checklist •• •••••·••••••••••••••••••••••••••49
      6.10 10.6 K Barostat .................•.....•......... 50
      6.11 Main Check Deployment •...............•.......... 51
      6.12 Post Main Checklist ............................. 51
      6.13 Single Point Release •...•••.••.•..•...••••...... 51
      6.14 2 K Checklist .•........•........................ 52
      6 .15 LBlldiilg . ..........•...•......................... 52
      6.16 Postlanding Checklist ..•..•....••....•....•..•.• 52
      6.17 Blood Pressure Measurement ..•.•...•..•........••53

--- PAGE 9 ---
11.0    EXPERIMENTS
        11.1 Celestial, Space, and Terrestrial Radiometry
                 (D-4/D-7)•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••140
        11.2     Star Occulation Measurement (D-5) •...•.....•146
        11.3     Simple Navigation (D-9) .....................148
        11.4     Visual Acuity and Astronaut Visibility
                 and Vision Test (M-9 ) .......................154
        11.5     Synoptic terrain (S-5) and weather (s-6)
                 photograph.y••••..••.••.•••....••••.•••••••••158
        11.6  Proton Electron Spectrometer and Tri-Axis
              Flux-Gate Magnetometer (MSC-2 and MSC-3) ...•160
        11.7 Optical communications (MSC-4 ) ..............161
        11.8 Landmark Contrast ..•....•........•..........165
        11.9 Cardiovascular reflex conditioning (M-1 ) ....166
        11.10 In-flight exercises (M-3) ...................167
        11.11 In-flight phonocardiogram (M-4) and
              In-flight sleep analysis (M-8) ..............167
        11.12 Bioassay body fluids (M-5) and
              calcium balance study (M-7) .................168
        11.13 Miscellaneous ......•.......................•172

12.0    PREMISSION PLANNING
        12.l Mission Plan (trajectory) ...........•.......175
        12.2 Flight Plan.••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••175
        12.3 Spacecraft Changes •..•...................... 176
        12.4 Mission Rules ............. .. ......•. .. ......177
        12,5 Experiments ••.•..•••••.•...•......•...•....•177

13 .0   MISSION CONTROL
        13.1     GO/NO GO' s ••••••••.••.••.•••••.•••....••...•179
        13,2     PLA and CLA updat es•••••••••••••••••••••••••l79
        13 . 3   Consuma.bles .............•.•...•..........••.180
        13.4     Flight Plan changes.••••••••••••••••••••••••181
        13. 5    Systems . ....................•.............. . 182
        13.6     Experiments real-time updatea ...•......••.••184

--- PAGE 10 ---
.. f

--- PAGE 11 ---
....

                               1.0 COUNTDOWN
          1.1 Crew Insertion

Borman    I have no comment.      I thought it went ve~y well.

Lovell    Likewise, no comment on crew insertion.          I think we got
          quite a. bit done.     It was very orderly.

Borman    Timing was good and it was done properly.

          1.2 Communications

Borman    Communications were good.      I had no troubl e at al l.
Lovell    I had no trouble with communications in the cockpit or the
          spacecraft, but the communications in the va.n from the

          suiting area t o the other area a.re rather poor.       Maybe we

          should try to get that improved sometime.

          1.3 Crew Participation in Countdown
Borman    Again, I think they have been used on 4 or 5 l aunches, and

          I thought they were fine.
Lovell    Right.   Countdown procedure and crew participation is just

          what you expect now.

          1.4 Comfort

Borma.n   Comfort was fine.      No problems?

Lovell    No problems for comfort , but I was surprised when I got in

          the cockP i t, because there was a lot more there than there
          was when I got in it for the stowage review.          But, it a ll

          turned out for t he best.     No problems.

--- PAGE 12 ---
2



          1.5 ECS

Borman    ECS worked fine.     We had no trouble with ECS at all during

          prelaunch or launch.

Lovell    That is true.     The purge was a lot slower and it was just

          perfect for the final countdown.        It was too fast for the

          SIM Flight, which we went through, a.nd I got an ee.:r block­
          age.   For the countdown, it was ju.st r ight.       Very slow.

          1.6 Sounds
Borman    We had been well briefed on a ll the soundsz the gimbaling,

          pre- valve, a.nd erector.      As a matter of fact, when the erec­

          tor started down there was no sound.        We had been told that

          probably there might be a clanking or something.          I hes.rd
          nothing.

Lovell    All I saw was the sky.
          1.7 Vibrations
Borm8ll   Vibrations.     No comment.     I had no problems.
Lovell    Is this liftoff vibrations?
Borman    No, this is countdown.        Vibrations of the spacecraft during

          coun tdown.
Lovell    No, nothing we had not heard before.
          1 .8 Visual

Lovell    The windows were perfeot.       We had no fogging.
Borman    No fogging.

--- PAGE 13 ---
---
                           .                                                3


Lovell     The windows were heated previousl y as a result of 51 s pro­

           bl ems, and our windows, I t hought , were perfectly clean.

           Didn 1 t you?

Borm8J'l   Right.

           1.9 Crew Stati on Control s a.nd Displays
Lovel l    No comment .    Exactly how we had pl anned it for months.

Borma.n    Exactl y t he way that we had seen it, and no probl ems.

                               2 .0 POWERED FLIGHT
           2.1 Liftoff Cues

Borman     Stoney came in loud e.nd c l ea.r, counting the countdown.

Lovell     Cs.me in loud and c l ear.

:Borman    We lmew exactly when i t was, and I for one had absolutely

           no question in my mind when we lifted off.      It felt like I

           had been t ied back, a.nd someone cut the string a.nd there

           was a slow but definite acceleration at lift-off.

Lovell     I thought you could just about put 01P COMM, V1bration, and

           noise together, because the motion, vibrati on , and noise all
           contributed to a definite knowledge that you were going

           somepl ace.

Borman     In other words, what you are saying is that you had no pro­

           blems determining lift-off.

Lovell     No, it went.

Borma.n    Okay vibration wa.s nominal during l ift-off.    Again, perhaps

--- PAGE 14 ---
4



         it is because we were so well briefed on the simulations

         we have run, but I had no problems.

Lovell   There was a little more noise than I expected, but a little

         less vibration.

Borman   Jim said there was a little more noise than he expected.

         Even so,, it was not oppressive, or a problem at all. Visual.

         I did not have any visual cues.             I was watching the instru­

         ments.   1What about you, Jim.     Did you pick up any?

Lovell   I had the clouds, end there was a visual cue.            Just normal
         cloud cues .

Borman   Cockpit displays were good.      The fuel pressure and oxidizer

         pressure were nominal the whole flight.            Just perfect.
         2.2 Roll Program
Borman   The roll program, was so short it was almost like a spike•
         We hardly even noticed the roll program.            Did you Jim?
Lovell   I did not notice it at all.      I heard you call it out, but I
         did not notice it.

Borman   I called it out , but we only rolled,I think,about 2 or 3°.
         2.3 Pitch Program
Borman   The pitch program started just as in the simulator, which

         is very accurate on this.      It looked exactly the same on the
         ball, and there wae no problem.
Lovell   The pitch program for the RGS followed exactly what the IGS

                            -~
                        '    ..... --
                                          -...   ,    .

--- PAGE 15 ---
5


         was giving for the entire l aunch.    The needles were just

         matched perfectly--nulled.     I did not see any unusual

         attitudes that some of the other people commented on.

         2.4 Aerodynamic
Borman   Age.in, we had had this described to us ma.ny times, and it

         seemed to follow right along.      In the maximum q region we

         got some vibration and noise, but after we got through

         maximum q it was just like going supersonic in a fighter.

         You just slip through, and from then on it was just l ike

         riding on a train.

Lovell   I don't think it was bad either.
         2.5 :ms
Lovell   Pressure went up to 5.5 in the initial stoppage, and it

         slowly leaked down to 5.1, and stayed there.
Borman   I was cool during lift-off.
Lovell   I was too.     Comfortable.
Borman   Comfortable.     I mean cool in the sense that it means comfor­
         table.    Of course we can not very well comment on the cabin
         atmosphere because we were sealed.

         2. 6 Maximum q

Borman   We ha.ve already discussed this.     There was some noise build

         up and some vibration, but nothing to worry at all about or
         even discuss .

--- PAGE 16 ---
6



          2.7 Wind shear

Borman    Wind s hear.   I did not notice any.

Lovell    I did not notice a:ny wind shear either.
Borman    You could not see any on you attitude gauges either, could

          you?

Lovell    No, that is what I mean.

Borman    The a tti tude gauges stayed pegged.    Right?

Lovell    They stayed nulled throughout the entire flight.       I was
          a.ma.zed a t the accuracy with which the RGS was following the

          IGS program.

          2.8 DCS Updates
 Lovell   Ca.me through on schedule .

Borman    No problem?

Lovell    No trouble.

Borman    Have any trouble punching the light ?

Lovell    After the second upda.te, about 2:23 ,the g 1 s are too ~igh

          to let you punch off the l ight.   So , you have to wai t for

          staging, and t hen punch the l ight.
          2.9 Engine 1 Operation

Borman    Engine 1 opera tion, I thought, was norma.l.     But I did noti ce

          a s l ight hint of a POGO a.round a.bout, I would esti mate, two

          minutes.   The slightest, faintest hint.    I do not think J im
          even noticed it.

--- PAGE 17 ---
7


Lovell    I did not notice any POGO.
          2,10 Engine 2 Status

Borman    It seemed to me that from about 3 minutes and 30 seconds to
          a.round 4 minutes, the noise and the feel was a little bit
          different than it was a.fter that, as if it was vibrating &
          little bit more.       But this was sort of, a.gain, a sensing
          type thing,     The inatrwnents were all nominal, a.nd it may
          have just been me,       I certainly ca.n not complain about the
          operation,

          2.11 Acceleration g's
Borman    J.ny- problems, Jim?
Lovell    No problems.    They were pretty nominal, weren I t they?     I

          could not see the g meter.
Borma.n   They were right on the money.       And, of course, the g's we
          ha.ve are all   experienced in the centri.fuge , and so on.       One
          thing, when the g's dropped a t staging and at SECO I had
          no sensation of tumbling and no sensation of disorientation.
          Nothing at all.
          2.12 POGO
Borman    I 've mentioned that I detected a slight hint of one tha.t was
          so smal l we cannot even really discuss it.
          2.13 Guidance Initiation
Lovell    We had a guidance initiation.       It was in the form of booster

--- PAGE 18 ---
8


         yaw deflecting downward, more so than booster pitch deflec­

         ting. Booster pitch deflected sl i ght ly t o the right, indi­

         cating, at guidance initiation, a booster-high trajectory.
         But, they both came right back to null just after guidance

         initiation, and that was it.

Borman   We did not have the feeling that we were lofted, and then

         a sudden pitch down.

Lovell   No , th9re was no change of booster performance at all.      It

         was just t hat the needles deflected a t guidance initiation

         to say that we had gui dance initiation, and after that they

         nulled and stayed that W83' from there on.

         2.14 BECO
Borman   At BECO, the whole spacecraft was engulfed in a red flame .

         I noticed that out of the corner of my eyes.      Jim, you

         probably had a better view than I did.

Lovell   Yes .   Flames came up thP. side there to the window .

Borman   There was a definite, very brief instant of it, probably

         in the order of milliseconds , but it did envelope the space­

         craft and I, in my own mind, wonder if this is not the place
         where we are picking up some of the smudge on t he window.

         2.15    Stagins-
Lovell   Well, I did not notice any smudge at the time of staging.

Slayton You did not notice any?

Lovell   I did not notice any .   Of course, things were going pret ty
         fast.    I did notice it after we got into o=bit, but not at

--- PAGE 19 ---
9



          that particul ar time.

          2.16 Engine 2 Ignition

Eorma.n   Again, it is so well simulated that-­

Lovell    It is very smooth.

:Borman   It is ve:ry smooth, a.nd away you go.

          2.17 RGS Initiate
:Borman   We l l, we have talked about that.
Lovell    Yes, that is what I was talking about back p.!'eviously.



          2.18 GO/NO GO
:Borman   GO/NO GO.    Houston, on the ground, came through great.     We

          got a GO/NO GO before the 30 seconds we were waiting £or
          spacecraft separate.     So, we knew we were in good shape

          before we ever had the possibility we would have to burn.

          Of course, we also had the IVI's onboa.rd and they are very
          good also.

          2.19 Systems Status
Borman    The systems were all great.     No problem, during powered

          flight.     We got two delt a Plights.
Lovell    Oh, yes, that is right.
:Borman   We are talking about spacecraft systems.    We got delta P
          light on BECO in the first stage that went off at staging,

          then came back on during second stage flight, and then the

--- PAGE 20 ---
10


         :::action 2 delta Plight did not go out a.nd it was •••

Lovell   No, J:ection 1 went on and out again during the £light.       It
         went out a t, I think it went out at SECO.

Borman   That is right.

Lovell   But 'Section 2 came on and we saw that one £or the next 14

         days.

         2.20 Acceleration

Borman   Acceleration during stage 2 was right on the money, right on

         the program.     I read of£, I   think i t was about six a.nd a
                 I
         half g a maximum.     We read this off after SECO.

         2.21 Fairing Jettison

Borman   Fairing Jettison, I did not even hear it.       I was concentra­
         ting on the horizon , trying to get set for turning around.

         Jim j ettisoned the fairing and punched the Spacecraft SEP.

         I did not see a.nything or hear a.nything.
Lovell   I saw debris and heard it and had a definite knowledge that
         a squib had gone off.     There had been an explosion.

                             3.0 INSERTION
         3.1 Post SECO

Borman   Maneuver controller was easy to reach.       I had it out, and
         there was no problem.     It came out and was ready to go.

         Attitudes and rates, there were none.      The thing was as
         solid a.a a rock as far as I could determine.      I was watching

--- PAGE 21 ---
11



          the horizon, and the attitude remained constant a.nd the
          rates were so minimal you could not even pick them up.         I

          noticed no transients, we experienced no·•·•••••~•• as
          far as I know that was discernible.

Lovell    Did you try to damp out the ..

Borman    There was nothing to damp out.

Lovell    Okay.
:Borman   In fact, I did not use the thrusters at all for that.         It

          just sat there.

          3.2 SECO pl us 30 seconds
Lovell    I have the IVI readings on a. ca.rd.   Do you have those- cards

          that we took off?

:Borman   Yes.
Lovell    I am sorry. We did not get forward-aft, left-right, u.p or
          down because they were so quick, and I was trying to get the
          camera.    But it was 17 1n the fore and a.ft wmdow, 13 in the
          left-right, and up and down was 20.

Borman    What do you mean. you did not get them?    They a.re there.

Lovell    No, I did not know a.ft or forwa.rd, or left or right, or up

          or down.
:Borman   Oh, I see.
Lovell    I just saw th&t they were so small tha.t I just wrote down
          the numbers as a ...

--- PAGE 22 ---
12


Borman   17, 30, and 20.     There might have been a 13, 17, a.nd 20...

Lovell   About what the numbers ca.me up with.

Borman   Spacecraft separation. We separated with minimum delay be­

         tween thrusting and Spacecraft SEP.     Jim actuated the space­

         craft separation.    I did not hear the thrusters firing. I
         could not hear them; and I did not even helU' spacecraft
         separation, but --

Lovell   I heard Spacecraft SEP, but I o·o uld not hear the thrusters

         firing. But you told me you were firing the thrusters--
Borman   I ea.id th.rusting a.nd SEIP Spacecraft a.nd we did it and away
         we went.   I thrusted for about 2 seconds.    Almost immedi­

         ately, as soon as we had £inished thrusting, I started a

         yaw right 180°, and the rates were right around, I think

         a.round --Of course, you should be able to pick this up off

         telemetry, but I would estimate they were 3° to 4° per
         second turning around.    As soon as I ha.d the booster in

         sight, I thrueted be.ck 5 seconds.   This is the way we tried

         in silllulations, The simulations in St. Louis were excell ent.
Lovell   Turned out that was the best technique to use, 2 seconds
         for the 2 seconds forward a.nd a 5 second return.
Borman   We turned around a.nd there it was, bigger than the devil!
Lovell   At that distance there was no problem staying in there.
Borman   Now, I did have some problem because the booster was bending

--- PAGE 23 ---
13


         so rapidl y.   It wa.s tremendous.    It looked like one of the

         autogenous lines ha.d been cut.       I guess it was cut with a
         pyro, a.nd it was really bending and this was causing it to

         translate as well as rotate.      And in order to stay with it,
         I was having to use quite a bit of fuel;        although it was
         certainly a nominal task.     I also went through severa l con­
         trol modes switchings.     I sta:rted out in PULSE and I could
         not get around fast enough, so I went to DIRECT a.nd then
         slowed it up in RA.TE COMMAND. Slowed up the direct rate I
         was using with RATE COMMAND, a.nd left it in RATE COMMAND
         without using the h&nd controller for a while.         Finally

         went to l'LATFOBM.   When I went to PLA.'f.E'OHM~ we had been off
         to   one side of the booster.     ~     . L went to PLATFORM, · it
         yawed me back around, and I lost sight of the booster . .SO

         we went out of PLATFORM· and flew t he rest of it in PULSE
         Mo~e using the reticle on the horizon for stabilization and
         using the maneuver controller for thrust.        This is all on
         onboard tape,incidentally.      The air to ground communications,
         throughout the f light were superior.
Lovell   I was really a.mazed a.t the communications, especially the
         primary station.     The UHF was outstanding.
Borman   We have already discussed GO/NO GO.        They came through loud
         and clear before we ever SEP spacecraft.        We had no need for

--- PAGE 24 ---
14



         a velocity correction.

Lovell   As a matter of fact, right now would be a good time to men­

         tion that address 72 read --

Borman   Nominal was 25 804 and address 72 read 25 804.

Lovell   Can you imagine that? Right t o th~ · foot!      25 804.    I could

         not believe it when I punched it up.

Borman   The orbit quantities were given to us, I think,by Bermuda..

         0£ course, at this time we really were not interested in

         them , although they were sort of nice in.formation.       We had

         a GO/NO GO.

Lovell   It was 87-178       the initial forward quantity that was
         ca lled up to ue.

Borman   Tha l'!1JU readouts : Jim read 72 and when he saw it was 25, 804,

         we had a GO/NO GO from the ground.       I do not believe you
         even rea4 the rest of them out, did you?
Lovell   No, I did not bother reading out the rest of the addresses

         94, 97, 52, or 73, because I saw the 72 nominal. I saw the
         IVI's were right in there so we did not bother reading out
         anything else.
Borman   Debris • I did not notice a:ny debris.
Lovell   I noti-od debris.   I was looking out at Spacecraft SEP and
         Jet Fairing, and noticed debris.     I also noticed debris be­

         t ween the spacecraft and booster when we first turned around.

--- PAGE 25 ---
15



Borman   Could you identify any type of the debris?

Lovell   No, pieces.That is all I could tell.

         3.3 Insertion activities
Lovell   We followed the regular procedure.

Borman   We did not have s;ny problem with safing our switches.

         No problem.   I did not even stow my D-ring at insertion.        I

         was too busy trying to stay on the booster, and I did not

         get it stowed for the first orbit,I guess,or half an orbit.

Lovell   What we planned on doing was getting pictures of the D-ring.

         I got the br&cket up at staging, and I actually had a minute

         after guidance initiate to reach back there and get the

         bracket and stick it up.    It worked out very nicely before

         the g's started building up again on second stage.     The
         bracket was up and in place s;nd no problem a t all.   Then at

         SECO, I went around to pick up the camera, because we had

         the camera. stowed where the Agena control bq..x ie l ~oated.,
         I   managed to get the camera up, and it was already plugged

         into the electric&l wire.   ill I had to do was turn the

         auxiliary switch on, put it on the bracket, and push the

         button, and it started taking pictures.    Just about that
         time, Frank mentioned be was going to start thrusting pretty

         soon so I had to go back and punch off the spacecraft.       Then

         I read up address 72.   So , I hope the pictures come out.

--- PAGE 26 ---
16


:Borman   We were looking right into the sun; I hope they do too.         The

          drogu.e pins were no problem.   Jim got them, but again, not

          until well into the first orbit.   As a matter of fact, I
          pulled my own yesterd.a.y morning there.    The problem is

          solved; I think they a.re easy to get to.

Lovell    Yes. They a.re easy to pull out.

Borman    I think that we have covered station keeping wi th stage II
          booater,partially.   I will mention that the booster, being
          without attitude control, translating also with this im­

          pul se it was picking up from the venting, is definitely an
          order of magnitude more difficult than station keeping with

          a   stabl e vehicle like Spacecraft 6.
          First of a ll, you do not have. anyone     control ling the thing;

          you do not exactly know where it is going to go, and it

          might translate because it is venting and ha.a a slight

          thrust.

Borma.n   I know a couple of times we got in a little too close        and

          I backed out, because you just do not da.re get as close as
          you do the way this thing is spewing.      We got a real good

          picture, a good l ook at the nozzle.     I thought that it

          looked like the nozzle was bent in on two places on the

          booster engine.   It l ooked like the nozzle, the ablative
          skirt had been bent in.   But then, it may have been just a

--- PAGE 27 ---
17



         shadow, because the next time I looked at it, it looked just

         like a new engine.      The booster itself had no apparent da­

         mage.    The only thing we could see was this big spewing

         where the venting was coming from.      I did not see any vent~

         ing from the roll nozzle at all.     Did you?

Lovell   No, the venting ca.me from some line right along the bottom

         edge, near the engine section of the booster.

Borman   That is right.

Lovell   It was a line of some sort that was open, and fuel was

         spewing out of it.

Borman   I hope    they got the data they wanted on the D-4 and D-7
         Experiments. It wa.s,again,a very uncomplicated maneuver, one

         that we practiced many times, and it worked just lik~ it
         does in simulation.     Had no difficulty at all. Toe lights

         on the booster worked fine.

         3.4 Post station-keeping

Borman   We did not do anything with stowage on the first orbit at
         al l .   D-ring, pins    I have already mentioned, we did not

         get those in at all.
Lovell   Arm restraints went down at 55 seconds.     Belts- We did not

         even loosen them until after we had done D-4, D-7.      The life
         vests    we left right on the harness for the entire flight,

         but the ha.mess did not stay on us for the entire flight.

--- PAGE 28 ---
18


          The sequence light test. This was done after the first orbit.
          We really had this insertion checklist in two phases, one

          at insertion and then one after D-4, D-7.
                          4.0 ORBITAL FLIGHT
Borma.n   We have already disou.ased the station-keeping.      That is no
          problem.   I think the situation that we used,going off with
          about 2 seconds--2 to 3 seconds--a.nd thrusting back with 5
          seconds while you a.re still on your side getting back to the
          booster as quickly as "POssible ,solves the problem and takes
          a lot of the orbital mechanics out of the situation.       I
          hope the film comes out.    The one thing that did make it &
          little difficult on this one is when we looked back, we
          were looking back into the sun, and the booster was right in
          line with the sun.    It was ju.at like flying formation when
          the leader makes a. turn, a.nd you are down,..sun.   It is dif­
          ficult to see, and I tried to move off to one side and
          swing around and look a little bit more to the north.          I
          think it was north.   I guess I was trying to look to the
          south where I could get the sun out of my line of sight.           I
          also had a cut-off on the booster at station-keeping at 88%
          fuel, so that at 88% fuel we were already in darkness, al­
          though we had not reached the time for the D-4, D-7 separa­
          tion which we.a to ooour a.too, 25.I think it was about '00: 23 or

--- PAGE 29 ---
19


          00,21. So when we reached this limit and we were in darkness,

          I ~~nt ahead and separated, thrustil:lg dawn.

Lovell    We actually separated earlier than 00: 25. We actv.ally separa­

          ted at 00:-21.

:Borman   That is right.   So we separated because we were in da.rlmess

          and because we had reached the limit on fuel.      We had been

          in darlmess for awhile. One thing I di d notice was that the

          docking light was not particularly helpful on that stage of

          the business.    I guess it is because we were not close
          enough to the booster.

Lovell    We tried but the docking light just did not work.

:Borman   I suppose because,a.gain,we were looking at a lighted horizon

          with the docking light , and it did not work as well as it

          did l ater on with Spacecraft b, The booster measurements
          went off.   We got   indications on the needle ,on the measure­

          ment needle ..

Lovell    The recorder did not get on until 27 minutes.      That is a
          guess. I am not too sure, but as I understand it, they had

          live transmissi ons up until th.at time, to Bermuda, 8Jld An­

          t i gua., wherever it is, so we were okay there.

Borman    The booster measurements were normal.    Again, the simulator

          was perfect for that.    The lights. Jim McDivitt had made
          some comment about not being able to judge distance because

--- PAGE 30 ---
20




         they only had two l ights on there.    We had four lights
         on and I will be darned if I will try to judge distance

         by four lights or fifty lights.    You have got to have
         illumination or you have to have a stable vehicle.
Lovell   You have to have something tha t illuminates the vehicle,
         not a light that flashes because you cannot tell from a

         flashing light.
Borman   Especially on vehicles rotating.      I do not think that i t is
         possible to control them.    You have to have a controlled
         vehicle before you can judge distance from it, as far

         as I am concerned.   The GO/NO GO, 17-1 TR were no
         problem.   We ran through the platform-off post station­
         keeping checklist just the way it is listed.
Lovell   Yes, that is where we caught most of the things.
Borman   That is where we caught most of the things like putting
         the D-ring away and the drogue pins and so on.      Only one
         time in flight did we require attitude control fuel to
         change attitude for critical delay time playback.      There

         was no problem.   Communications, as always, were superior.
         The D-4/D-7 Void Measurement was again no problem;
         just lined up on the black and ran for t wo minutes.
         Purging of the fuel cells.   This is the first of a long--

--- PAGE 31 ---
21




Lovell    Yes , but we did not do it then,did we?       Did not we wait

          until we powered down and then waited two hours?

:Borman   Tha t is right .   This is one of the things t h&t they

          had in the f light plan that we asked them to change

          because

Lovell    Yes, we did not purge the f'uel cells then.

:Borman   Originally, this came right after power down e.nd all

          of the f'uel cell people recommended that you purge

          before power down , or wait until two hours after power
          down .   So we did not do it at this t i me in the flight.

          This was changed.       D-4, D-7 star measurements.   There
          was no probl em.    The eta.rs were well selected, and we

          were right on them.       Right Jim?   Jim copied down, on

          the procedures book, a check where we got the maximum
          return on the needle.

Lovell    D-4 , D- 7 was a well organized experiment as far as
          :Brentnall keeping us hopping about what to do .      I will
          have to admit th.at .

--- PAGE 32 ---
22


:Sor:ma.n   Re did a very good job.      We knew just what to do.     W&        had
            all the equip,nent with us and everything went very smoothly.

            MS0--2 ana,..3 turned out to be not :much of a problem because
            at about the seventh dq we turned it on and left it on for
            the rest of the flight.      The Berigee Adjust :tv1.a neuver   0    Jim
            ma.de the ~erigee Aijust Manuever.      We did it on stars with­
            out a platform.       I was timing for Jim and I think I fouled
            up.    We planned to use a perigee to 102 miles, and I think
            we wotmd up with about 15 feet per second too much.                 It
            seemed like about 117 miles.       One of the reasons that was
            causing this was      we had come back into the vicinity of the
            booster, and just about midwny through the burn          the booster
            venting that was still occurring suddenly lit up, became
            lit up.    It looked like we were flying through a lot of
            foreign objects or debris.       I was afraid that we were going
            to hit so.m ething.    At the same time this trailing wire came
            forward and slapped the spacecraft.
Lovell      That is where I stopped.
:Sor.man    Yes.   After we had stopped and it nit us, I looked down
            and got confused and s aid, "No, we haven't burned enough",.
            ·&> we burned for about five seconds :more.       We had a trail­
            ing primer cord that would flop around and we didn 't know

            what it was at the time, but it came forward when Jim
            stopped burning and flopped on the spacecraft.          It ,nade a

--- PAGE 33 ---
23


         noise and I thought we had hit some of the stuff t~t was

         spewing out of the booster.    I wasn't sure that it was just

         fuel.

Lovell   I think the ground people thought that this wire came for­
         ward because it had gotten in the way of the thruster fire.

         It definitely came forward after I stopped burning,because
         I stopped burning and this wire came slapping forward.         It
         still had the momentum, you know.     It slapped right in

         front of the window.     I think the people got the impression
         that the thing had hit a. thruster.    It hit in front of us,

         then we stopped bu.ming. But we stopped' mm -taen-·ths:t thing
         hit a.nd we added some more because we were still at ~ ogee.
Borman   The first a:f many powerdowns was no problem1o We went right by
         the check list.   Some of these switch functions in the space
         craft, particularly toward the latter pa.rt of the flight,

         toward the 12th or 13th da.y--we were getting, I won't say
         la.r in making the.m ,but it see.med more of a chore to make
         these things right to the minute.     Things like the ~!OJ.VIED
         recorder and so on--we lost interest in having them turned
         off on the second.     We knew what they needed to be turned
         on and off for.   We didn't do as good a job from about the
         10th day on as we did the first pa.rt as far as making those
         right to the minute.

--- PAGE 34 ---
24



Lovell    As a .matter of fact, why don't we get out the flight plan.
          I think we might have a lot of comments on it.
Borman    Let's start from the beginning.
Lovell    The recorder was on at 27 .m inutes.    D-4/D-7 measure.m ents.

          The GET of .measurement that the COLD IR was outside the

          two degree field of view of the booster was at 30 ,13.
Borman    At 40s58 we had 84 %fuel left. We were right on the flight
          pla.n there.
Lovell    There was another GET of measure.ment where the spacecraft
          was lined outside the field of view or the booster at 38:00.
Borman    We saw the booster for 2 or 3 revolutions after tl:at.      The
          lights were still working.     We called it out and t~ ground
          got readings on this.
Lovell    The moon and booster were in view at 43:00.      The booster
          and .moon were in view and we might get an erroneous read:tn.g
          because we were almost on the .moon.
Borman    Here we have a note that at 2z32 the fuel cell Delta P
          l i ght blinked off at 2 ftours and 30 minutes and then came
          back on.     That is t he section 2 dalta Plight .
Lovell    Okay ,   then as far as stowage goes, the · M-1 cuff was t urned on

          at 3z03,
:Borman   We put the bypass hoses on at this time also-- the ECS
          bypass hoses,     Incidentally, they turned out to be not too
          .m.uch of a problem,    They were very handy for the type or

--- PAGE 35 ---
25


         work we did without suits on.

Lovell   Right. We took the s/c out of the horizon at 2:08 to get
         some measurements,as requested fro.m DOD,after we measured
         the stars.   This is after we powered down the equipment.
         We connected the bypass hoses at 2:32.    This was 2 hours

         plus 32 minutes.
Lovell   Crew status reports. We bad 3 or 4 a day.

Borman   5:20,we started unpacking the meals.     This is one thing
         that we had trouble with• lbth left and right food boxes
         were jam packed.   Fortunately ,we changed the lanyards. v,e
         changed this during our stowage review , &l though it was
         difficult we got them out.    Several of the meals had lost
         vacuum.
Lovell   Which .made them more difficult to get out.
Borman   Really you can't co.mplain about this.    The people did the
         best they could. We had an awful lot of food to store
         and we were able to get them out.

Lovell   We had several blinkinge of the Delta Plight during this
         period.   It went out at 6 hours, a littleleas t han 6 hours,

         then came back on again at 6:27.
Borman   One thing that I wanted to find out a.bout,and I still don't
         understand,is why we turned on the crossfeed valve right
         after l&:w\oh.   The FC o pressure was just on the minit11.Um
                                  2

--- PAGE 36 ---
26


          or 150 pai at launch.     I called up Houston and said I

          would like to leave the         gauge in the FC02 position

          rather than the ECS o2 positlon.     Chris said, "No, unless
          we really felt strongly about it, they would rather have it
          in the ECS o position". So we left it there and after we
                      2
          were inserted and we were still with the booster, they
          came in with a recommendation that we open the cross feed.
          When we did, this immediately raised the pressure to 250
          psi.   The thing that was bad was that we had over 100%
          o:xygen and we were down to about 100 lbs. on the FC0 2 •
          We agreed that we would fly at least 50 lbs. above the do.me,
          So, I really didn't see the need for opening that valve
          although it didn't cause a:n:y problems.

Lovell    They wanted to pump up and make sure.

Borman    It worked fine and we got right back up to 250 lbs.

Lovell    That is one syste.m that did work fine.

Borman    The first 7 hours was pretty no.m inal.    All throughout the
          flight plan we have notes that the Delta Plight went out
          and came back on and so on.

Bor:man   At 16,40 we sighted a satellite .much lower and
          on a slightly higher inclination path than we were.        It
          passed underneath us.     It was so fe:r awa::, it looked like
          a sighting from the earth.     It was just a refiection.     We
          were very religious about the exercise periods.       We s-ot

--- PAGE 37 ---
27


         thos e t hree times a day wi th the excepti on of the last day

         and one other day when we got only two.       I think this is a
         very good idea .   I t is difficult and requir es discipline

         because the last thing in your mind i s the desire to exer­
         cise.    You get lazy very easily.     We di d a very extens i ve
         operation with t he bungee and also i sometrics three times
         a day.
Borman   They were programmed 10 minutes.       I think a more realistic
         one would be about five .m inutes , three times a day.      I did
         60 pulls on t he bungee cord with both hands, 20 wi t h each

         leg, and then ended up with 10 with each ar.m on the bungee

         cord in addition to the few f or the crew status reports.
Lovell   I did 60 pulls on the arms and 60 on each leg and it didn't
         .make any differ ence.   I could have done 20 on each leg and

         would have proba bly been better off.
Borman   At 45 hours J im started taking off his suit.       During that
         first 45 hours our noses were clogged end stuffy, our eyes
         were i rritated, t he cabin was hot ; it was miserable.      As
         s oon as Jim started taking off his suit, the cabin even
         though he was out of the suit and I was in, got better than
         it was with both of us in our suits.
Lovell   I didn't real i ze it was that long.     We were almost up there
         two full days befor e I started taking the suit off.

--- PAGE 38 ---
28



Borman     At 49t53 we got a picture of Houston with the 250 .mm l ens.
           I hope it comes out.     Okay at 69t40 we did a Perigee Adjust
           Maneuver, Delta V 12.4, 16.5 seconds, and came right on the
           money, using the stars, no platform.     I don't think that
           there is any problem at all with the proper stars in .m aking
           a gross adjustment.
Lovell     I think it was an excellent idea to do it without a platform,
           it takes two people.     One person times and the other person
           burns on the star fro.m attitude.    Both people check the
           attitudes by looking at the star charts and getting the
           updates.     Then ma.king sure that the s/c is alined right
           and the reticle is up to get the accuracy pretty good.        After
           that, once you get it s et in your mind what you are aiming
           at, one guy is in the cockpit with the watch or event
           timer and clocks it.     The other guy bas to look out the
           window because you can't go back and forth.     If you look
           in the cockpit at the watch, you can't adjust to look out
           f or the stars.   So it takes two people for that.   I think
           you can do a good job without a platform.
Bor:ma.n   I do too .
Bor:ma.n   There is one thing that was a pain in the neck, and I hope
           they get some good out of them, were UHF and the RF tests.
           That was an hour and a half transmitting every five minutes

--- PAGE 39 ---
29


         and having the HF/DF on.     I'.m not sure what kind of data
         they got but I hope they got so.m ething.   The first one we
         had to do on the lKJRIZ.AN SC.AN; it took so.me fuel and I
         wonder really if it was worth it.
Borman   At about 166,40 we noted our drift rate picking up and we
         finally determined this was from the water boiler venting.
         It resulted in a left yaw rate and this continued periodi­
         cally throughout the mission.     It certainly would not be
         objectiona.l if we had fuel to counteract it.    During a
         night period, in which we didn't do any attitude control
         at all, I timed the rates during the 13th day, and when we
         woke up they were about 7 degrees per second.     I timed
         them around the horizon and came up with 7 degrees per
         second. About the only thing you can say about it is that
         it requires fuel to stop it.
         It occurs primarily in left yaw and left roll.
Lovell   There are two things in the s/c that causes the yaw left
         for so.me reason.   Gus first noticed it and I think it is
         characteristic of the s/c.     One is the water boiler and the
         other is,every tie you turn off the power it fires two
         thrusters that give it a left yaw.    The same two all the
         time.
Borman   We tried to beat that ever way we could.     Every time we

--- PAGE 40 ---
30



               shut down 1 we put it in a different control mode and it
               still fired t he same t wo t hrusters.
               Every time you turn off ACME bias power it would go"boop, "
          11   boop~ just like that.    Every time we were without attitude
               control for extended periods we ended up with a left yaw

               and a left roll.
               Finally a.t 191>48 we got both crewmen suitless.     That was
               the best decision in the whole flight.     The perfor:m.e.nce of
               the Cryo bottles was fantastic.

Lovell         That was one thing we were worried about.      The eyd.rogen
               bottle I thought was never going to last.     Forty per cent
               of the eyd.rogen bottle was still left at the end of 14 days.
               One thing I wanted to try was to blow the squib.      Remember
               they said t1Did you blow the squi b?" I forgot about it.       Just
               prior to retro, I wanted to go over there and blow that squib
               that opened up into a vacuum.

:Borman        It would have taken several hours for it to do a:n:y good.

Lovell         Yes, I know, I     just thought :maybe we could hear it or
               so.mething.
:Borman        One thing that cropped up more and more as the mission
               progressed, it seemed to get worse as it went along was the
               fa.ct that things were cm celled because of weather.      We
               picked up large areas of clouds over the U. S •·and over s .

--- PAGE 41 ---
31


          Ameri ca.    About the only area that stayed clear was North­
          west Africa.     A lot of the experiments a.nd a lot of the

          Apollo landmarks were shot because of clouds.
Borman    On the 6 l auncht the second ti.met we were abl e t o track

          it.     We were not able to pick up lift-off because of c l ouds

          again, but whe.n i t got t o the con l evel t above the cl ouds,
          we were able to pick i t up a.nd we tracked it using IR until

          we coul dn't see anymore.    Even above the con l evel I

          think we were tracking the exhaust from the stage two en­

          gines using PULSE mode.     I hope we got some good data on
          that.
Borman    At 2661 16 we really got col d; the sui t i nl et t emperature

          dropped below 40 degrees a.nd we started squirting.water
          out of t he sui t inlet hoses.   We informed Houston about thi s

          a.nd they determined that the water boi l er had frozen up

          a.nd they recommended a procedure t o cl ear it.   We did thi s

          with Gemi ni 6 watching; esse.n tially i t involved putting the
          radi ator t o BYPASS and changing some switches.
Lovell    Evaporator heat on.
Borman    Put the evaporator heat on and setti ng up t o 10 degree per
          second r ol l rate.
Lovel l   That's the picture you saw i n the movies.
Borman    It actual l y threw a lot of fue l out a.nd a lot of water out.

          It l eft a g lob of ice on the side of the S/ C, about 10

--- PAGE 42 ---
32


          inches in diameter at the exit from the water boiler vent.

Lovell    There were only two problems that we really had.        There

          were the Fuel Cella and the two thrusters.        We a lso had a

          cold Spacecraft.

Borman    Yes, that is when we had that water boiler problem.

Lovell    Before that; the first time we woke up, it was 20 degrees

          oolder inside.

Borma.n   Oh yes, I'm sure what had happened du.ri ng the night was

          that we vented the water boiler, used the water boiler.
          This is the day when we woke up and had such high rates

          o.n the S/C.      We have all that in the cabin temperature
          survey.     The wall temperature was 20 degrees lower.

Lovell    It was just freezing in there.

                                5.0 REIBOFIRE
          5.1     TR-2:00    Power Up and Alignment Checklist

Borman    We had a slightl y different procedure as far as retrofire
          goes.     Powering up for i t took two hours.     The power up

          and alignment checklist was called up from the ground

          since we had open circuited two stacks.         We turned our

          ma.in batteries on and the squib batteries back on at TR
          minus two hours.

Lovell    During the flight they had powered us down on the squib

          batteries and put in the bus ties about the l ast week of the

--- PAGE 43 ---
33


           fl i ght.

Borman     We were flying with bus ties and tu.el cells and no squib
           batteries.
Lovell     To conserve the squib batteries for the r etrofire period.
Borman     Right.
Lovell     Because of that configuration, and because of the f act that
           we lost two stacks, we had to modify our power up procedure.
Borman     Right .     Incidentally because of the f a.ct that we bad two
           degraded thrusters, 3 and 4, we didn't use t h e ~
           mode at all for this alisnment. We aliened it all manually.
           The thrusters were degraded, but there was still enough in
           them to allow you to get i'ine maneuvers, fine control.          I
           used less control by turning off the circuit breaker for
           thruster No . 12 and used 11, giving back t hrust and this
           would give you right yaw•
           .5.2 TR-26 events
Borman     At T- 26 the event timer was set, we didn't read anybody
           because of our orbit , and we weren't able to start our
           event timer counting down until T-20.


Lovell     T-20
Bor.ma.n   Read ou.t fro.m Carna.rvon.

--- PAGE 44 ---
. 34


            5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Cl ock
:Borman     At TR-5 Jim got the bug on the ei ght minutes , no probl em.
Lovell      Yes , I got tha t okay.

            5 ,4 TR-256
                                                                                 ;;,
:Borman     TR-256 Sequence light came on exa.ctl y on schedul e.
Lovell      The digital clock never lost a second during the entire
            fl i ght.

:Sorms..n   We didn't touch it.

Lovel l     We di dn't touch that digital cl ock one time during the
            enti re f l ight.     That i s the best instrument i n the whol e

            s/c, especial ly f or this type of f l i ght when you have a
            lot of updates a.nd everything.

:Borm&n     Electri ca l was no problem.      Control system, the RCS worked

            perfectly.        It just worked beautifull y.

            5.5    .Tii::1.
:Sorman     Retro a ttitude minus 20 degrees pi tch.         The ball had been

            a l igned for two revolutions and it was perfect.         I f we

            had not had the bal l , I would have been happier if we

            had retro fired in the dayl i ght.       SEP OAMS , as advertised.
            You hear i t.
Lovell      Yes!
:Sorman     You feel it sli ghtl y.
Lovell      That is right, a.nd you even f eel SEP ELECT.

--- PAGE 45 ---
35


Borman   Yes, and you really fee l SEP ADAP'l '.   It felt like I had put

         in f orward thrust at t hat time.

Lovell   Yes .

Borman   It was really a good thud when we separated the adapter.

         Retrorocket squibs were armed a t TR-30 .     Arm AUTO-RS1I1RO was

         actually done at about TR- 10 .

Lovell   We did that a littl e bit early.

Borman   The event timer was perfect.      MDU, Jim got all the readouts

         and they were exactly what ha d been called up.

Lovell   Yes .   There was one or two that the last digit was one nu..n­

         ber off, but that is nominal.       We didn't bother that.

         5.6 TR-0
Borman   From the time we got the countdown at Carnarvon we really

         didn 1 t talk to a..~ybody a t all until we heard Houston at

         TR- 10 seconds come in with a count through Canton.

Lovell   We didn' t think tha t they were going to come in, as a.
         matter of fac t .

Borman   No, we were wondering...
Lovell   That is a very poor place to retrofire.       Canton had p oor

         communications co~pared with the rest of it.
Borman   But they ca.me through t hat time.
LoYell   Yes, they ca.me through.
Borman   We really didn 1 t need them because we had every indication

--- PAGE 46 ---
that our timing was good on-board.      They did come through

         but not until TR-10 seconds.       At TR equals zero the s/c

         attitude was 20 degrees down.      s/c rates were easy to con­
         trol, but I thought that the thrust fro.m those retro-rockets

         was high.   I really had a sensation of being accelerated.
         Didn't you Jim?

Lovell   Well, it was different from what I had expected because we

         were so used to zero g fl i ght.

Borman   The only thing I could do was fly instruments, the needles
         and the ball.     Trying to hold it right on the ball.

         I was vecy glad that I was in RATE COMMAND.       I had to con­

         trol it in RATE COMMAND a. little bit,particularly on the
         fourth retro rocket.    The first three went bing, bing, bing.

         Then there was a pause of about ½ a second and the fourth

         one went.   The fourth one seemed like it was a little mis­

         aligned, I think it was left yaw.       I had to bring it back.

         I would like to emphasize this. I thought those retros were

         really powerful, and that you were holding on to something
         that if you really didn't have good control it could get
         away from you pretty easily.

Lovell   But, I was sure happy to hear them go.

--- PAGE 47 ---
37



    Borman      Control mode was RRte Command , ano the I VI readouts• there­

                did you write those down?
•
    Lovell      I have them here.
    BormA.n    Fe cal led them off and we h?ve them .
    Lovell     This is whr,t I've been usins-.         It was 29P , and. 112 .

    Borman     And '.i 1e f t .

    Lovell     Yes , an:i ) l eft.
    'B orman   1
               ·.'hat were the nomil:.a.J s'?   Let ' s .iust r.iake a not e of what the
               nominals were.
    Lovel 1    This is usua.llJ about ....
    Borman     They called up the nominP l s .
    Sheparn.   ':'he~' were 113 and 296 .

    Lovell     Yes .   ~At was 2 off from nominal , I recPll that .... 298
               actual , and 112 actuA.l , 298 aft and 112 down as the a.ctua1 s·.
    l3omP.n    And 3 right.
    Lovell     An<i 3 right .

    'Boman     So we got in 01 ose t o the nominril , A.nd when you figure this

               out on our onboard che.rt s you come up with a bank            angl e

               of 50 decrees .
    Lovell     That ' s why I cou 1. dn ' t unrlers tand the ~ 5--we11 , maybe I ' m

               wrong but let 's take a look at this thing again.            Le t ' s
               go through it.

    Donnan     All right .

--- PAGE 48 ---
Lovell      That ' s a minus 1 error here, r ight?       And a pJus 2 error

            there, right?

Bonnan      Right.

Lovell      Okay , so I went in here and got to a plus 2 error here,

            right ?

Bom"'n      fl ight .
J,ove) 1    Wp..nt up here to a      minus , here ' s the zero mark right her e,

            to a minus one error ; where this thing crossed this thing

            right np to here , plus 2, and by eosh, it came right out to
            50 degrees or s3 degrees .
Borman      They        gave ue 55 degrees roll l eft, which is what the nomi­

            nal l evel was . ..

Lovell      I ' ve got i t right here .    Fi fty degrees and 60 deGrees is

            what they gave us .       Bank l eft 50 degrees and bank right

            60 deerees.

"'B orman   Yes .
T,ove ll    ~n~     so I looked up the ch~rt and it said 50 QeP,rees as t~e

            b~ck uu angl es--everything was working just l ike a charm
            anrt then I went back here to the ban k contonr line to get

            out our down range defl ection , and it was 1 or 2 miles , I ·

            think it was , no , 5 mil es overshoot ; which w~s just ahout

            as cl ose as you can hack it .       And I t hought oh boy, this
            t■   realJy , talk about nominRl reentry , this is the one

--- PAGE 49 ---
that's eoinc to be it , and then the? came up wi th 35

              degrees , 45 deerees, and I rni sinter~reted it ; I was

              a rgui ng with Prank e.fter r e t ro fire ann he says no , that ' s

              30 degrees-- 50 deerees.

:3orr.ian     50 degrees .

Love ll       53 decrees is what he ' s sayin[j .          !-re ,ius t wan t s to ge t it

              down to a l ittle finer line .           J\nd then Prank called bnck

              again An•i SR.id , "!'To , it wr-ts -i5 de£7ee s , " so I non ' t know

              what t he s t or;y w?. s there.

Borman        'P.;e :-'D I as .fA.r as the r e trofire r,-oes , i t was r.o rrohlem .
                                                                           .
              It worked out t:'ine , ano I jus t l ike to have 1. ' ' I t h:ink .

              If you ren. 1 ly were forced into it you cot>ld <io i t on rate

              neerll.es , but you ' d have to have a lo t of confiiience in

              your ability to hold i t .         T   wou ldn ' t. want t o do it with­

              out r:ate Command; and again , I did it in ;:ate r.omrnRnd .

              T' m not e ven sure how nuch the t hr usters we r e flrjnc -ivrinc­

              ret rofire .   DU you riotice?          I was watchinc the b,·l l , f'.r rl

              I dUn ' t noti ce .

              Di d it light up the horizon pretty hadl~r?

Lovell        H   WfW   real ly r.ot too b~d .       But ac t ua lly ; yeo , it ,iir1 , it

              lit i t up ouite a bi t .
;i'CSD !leo   Okay .

Lovell        There was a point in the flight plan that they wanted the

--- PAGE 50 ---
40



           Pilot to evaluate the horizon for a night, no pl atform,

           retro.     And the thing is this:    you can turn out all the

           lights , you can get lined up for BEF retrofire, without a

           plat£orm if you get the stars and everything.        But once you

           start firing, you &re going to have to use the ra.te needles,

           if' they are working,    to hold position, because you can't see
           the horizon 8J1Y longer, because the thrusters do blank out

           8J1Y sight outside.     And also, if you've got the lights

           turned up in the cockpit, so that you can see thingeJ that

           means that you can't see outside.       So, you have to go either

           outside to get cues, or you have to turn the lights out in

           the cockpit.     And if you're going to use stu£f inside, then

           you have the lights on.      I would be hesitant to make a night

           retrofire without platform too.       I think I would probably
           wait £or a. da.y one.

           5.7 Retro Pack Jettison
::Bonnan   The retro pack jettison - Jim fired ••• the one thing here on

           manual f ire , Jim fired the manual retros the wa;y we alwqs

           have.     We fired in the wa;y we a.lwa;ys h&ve, one second a..fter

           TR equals zero, but we go t an auto retrofire .
Lovell     Yeah, because the first one fired before I pushed the
           button.

--- PAGE 51 ---
41


Borman     That was right on the money.        The retro pack jettison was

           accomplished 45 seconds after, when the amber light came

           on, and you could feel and hear this one going; of course,

           it was pitch black so we couldn't see a thing.        This was

           one of the things that we didn 't see, the REI'RO ADAPrER ,

           the ADAPI'ER , or the RETROPACK .

Lovell     No , I didn't see any of that stuff go at all.

Bor:ma.n   Total darkness.

Lovell     Besides that, the thrusters blank out anything you could

           possibly see.
           5.a Communications and 5.9 updat ing
Bor:ma.n   Com.unmications were rather sketchy there.       I was very glad
           though, that we were able to get through to Houston.        I
           think it was over Guaym.as when they came up and told us to

           change in retro angle, and bank angle; I don 't know who did
           that but that was good work on the ground following up that

           computing, and getting us real time updates, I guess they

           must have done it after tracking.

Lovell     Yes,   That 's probably what it was.

Borman     That's probably how they did it.        And that was darn good.

Lovell     Yes.
Borman     Because the 35 degrees, I was flying right between 35 de­
           grees and O degrees most of the time , and if we'd have

           followed the 50 degrees, we'd have ended up way short.

--- PAGE 52 ---
42


          So that was very good work on the gro-.md ' s part.
Lovell    It looks like the initial computation of retrofire time

          was off, and they already had a good o~bit on us.

Borman    I don't kno~ what it was, but they corrected it when we

          came in.

          5.10 Post Retro Jettison Checklist
Borman    The post retro jettison checklist was accomplished with no

          problem.     Oh, I'm thinking; we did have some discussion about

          as far as the retro goes.       With the--we ' ll cover this more

          fully under su.i.ts. The question was whether to leave those
          hoods on or off for retrofire. We found th,'3-t the noise and

          the--I don't know why ~e didn't notice this at launch, but we

          did during reentry , the noise from the air blowing in the G5C

          suits was an impediment to crew discussion.

Lovell    It would go on the mikes and make a lot of noise on th;

          mikes.     The mikes picked up a lot of whistle.

Borman.   Plus the fact that the vision out of that thing certainly

          needs to be imporved.       So, we didn't kno,1 what to do--·,.;e

          finally decided to leave them on for retro.fire.

                                6.0    REENTRY

          6.1   Reen-gz Parameters '[:edate

Borman    Reentry.     400,000 feet, we had that time updated; and at

          400,000 feet I rolled left 55 degrees, because this ... or
          fif ty degrees, the value of the backup angles at tha t time .

--- PAGE 53 ---
43



          6.2 400K
Borma.n   Spacecraft attitude a.t 400,000 feet wa.s difficult to deter­
          mine.   We di dn't h.a.ve & horizon until we were below 350,000
          feet, a.nd I was having & lot of trouble trying to find it.

          Jim, you got the horizon first on your side.

Lovell    Yes, the horizon ca.me up first on my side.    Well, we did not
          have it right at 350 ,000 feet, but we coul d look out be­
          tween RCS firings and see the air glow, if you'd stuck your
          face right up there and l ook out.    But when you're doing the
          reentry on the instruments you have the lights up so, one
          guy ca.n't do it, you have to have two guys; one to look out
          and find out where the horizon is and- -
Borman    That was a heck of a thing.     I'd like to be a.ble to cross
          check between the balls and the horizon once in a while t o

          make sure that I knew exactly where we were.       As it tu.med

          out this was a completely instrument reentry.      We fina.lly
          found the horizon &nd Jim would tell me yes, it's about in
          t he right pl&ce.   But I just watched the ball.    And I think
          that it would be vecy difficult t o back up a reentry by
          watching out the window.     One person could provide backup
          guidance for you, and tell

--- PAGE 54 ---
44


     you where you a.re and what the ba.nk angle looks like with
     the horizon.    But, I don't think tha.t a person that i s fly­
     ing the reentry ca.n. cross check between the ball a.nd the

     horizon.   I think you have to ma.ke your choice and l ive with
     it.   Okay, roll commands were just like the s imula.torJ t ime
     correlation was good.    The guidance initiate came right on
     the money, and the needles jumped indicating an undershoot,
     a slight undershoot.    From then on we just flew it the way
     we 'd flown them a hundred times in St. Louie and in the sim­
     ulator.    I think we were ve-ry well prepared for t his .   I
     tried to fly it so that we took i t down.range, and we got a
     slight overshoot indication on downrange of about 1 needle
     width, 1 dot.    Then as we got down to a.round 2 g's or 2½- g's,
     I tri ed to start zeroing it out , so then when 3 g's oameJ
     the downra.nge was pegged right on the money.     And we were
     indicating zero on the cross range.      And at 3 g's I switched
     to flying the roll bug, and. just zeroing the roll bug; and
     a.s we came on down further and further the do'Nnrange stayed

     zero, but the cross range started going off full scale.
     Well, this really doesn' t mean anything because all the
     cross ra.nge is indicating is

--- PAGE 55 ---
45


          your per cent or miss verses per cent of capa.bili ty.      And

          down on that range what it was really doing was, we were
          coming in a little bit sho~t, and it was sacrificing the
          cross range in order to get the down range cleared up, be­

          cause the cross ra.nge wu vecy sm.e.11 ~ •

Lovell    There -was a bias in the dow ra.nge needles between his ball
          and m:y ball, a.nd I think, th.&t fortunately,~ ball -wa.s the

          one that was out.     Because when he was right on.

:Borman   You said we were overshooting &11 the time.

Lovell    Yes.    Re was   right on - I said you were overshooting, it wa.s
          about a needle and a half width bias.

:Borman   Okay.    The initial indication of g's, I remember Jim called
          over and sa.id, "how ma.ny g's a.re we on now." I said l ess
          than one" and you said "get serious." I think you coul dn't
          believe it. The first onset you feel like you ha.ve about a
          ton on you, but then as it builds up it never seems to get
          mu.oh worse.     It's almost u   if it were a. step function.     As

          soon as you get the g you rea.lly notice it, and then you
          don't notice it much more.       And the ma.rlmum g's th.at we
          pulled during the reentry were 3.9.
Lovell    Yes, that a.ma.zed me.    I actu&lly thought we did pull more

          g's.

:Borman   3.9 g's. So, it was a long extended time.

--- PAGE 56 ---
Lovell   Yes.

Borman   During the later part of it I started out in PULSE Mode and
         :rolled over the 55 degrees in PULSE Mode, and. then when we

         eot Guidance Initiate I went to DIRECT.      I was finding that
         in order to keep the cros11 range zeroed, and we had been
         told that Wally   had trouble with his cross range, I was

         banking back and forth quite frequently maneuvering the
         spacecraft around the full lift point, from one side to the
         other and I was overshooting a little bit in DIRECT.       I was
         also starting to pick up some pitch and yaw oscillations, so
         then I went to single ring RATE COMMAND.      And boy, this was
         really a great control mode, it "'8.S steady as a :rock.   You

         could put it right where you wanted and it st~ed there.
         But pretty soon we eot dow a:round, I guess it was when the

         g's were coming off, after 3.9 g•s.      I started losing it in
         single ring RATE COMMAND so I threw two rings on and it held
         it like a rock.   :But they were sure firing.
Lovell   Oh, yes.
Borman   Boh, those thrusters were really firing.     And we started
         getting abla.tion off the heat shield.    It was coming back in­
         and hitting the nose of the spacecraft, and that was pretty

--- PAGE 57 ---
47


         sensational.          Jim was giving vivid descriptions on what was

         happening, a.nd I was watching the ba.11.

Lovell   That's one thing that no one had ever told us before.              I was
         a.ma.zed.     Maybe it was peculiar to the spacec.raft.

Borman   No, Tom and Wally          h.a.d mentioned it.

Lovell   Oh, is that r i ght? That ablative material went back and hit
         the forward end near the recovery section, rather the RCS
         secti on; and I thought well, I never heard of this before,
         and I was a little worri ed that maybe we were too fa:r off,
         a.nd the stuff was going to start getting into recovery
         sections.       But    it tiirned out to be okay.
Borman   Another thing was that the windows really got scrounged up
         on that ree.ntry; that's something else.            I could hardly see
         out of my window.          Stu.ff was coming over from the heat
         shield and hitting it.          It was really gunky.
         6. 3 Aceelera.tio!!,_Pro.file

Borman   Okay.       The acceleration profile was very smallo       It was a
         very high 11.ft reentry, and of course, this results in a
         low g and long duration build up.           No problem at all.
         604 Spacecr&ft Control
Borman   Spacecra.ft control was excellent until we g'Ot down to
         100,000 .feet or even below 100,000 .feet.          We turned on

--- PAGE 58 ---
48



          the LANDING SQUI:B a.t 100,000 feet and sat th.ere and watched.

          it.
          6.5 lOOK Feet
Borman    I started losing it; I think we may have run out of RCS fuel
          between 100,000 feet a.nd 50,000 feetJ at lea.st I thought we

          had.
          6.6 50K Feet
Lovel l   Wel l, didn't you turn off the RCS?
Borm8Jl   I didn't turn th&t off until a.fter we got on the drogue. We
          were starting to build up the yaw and pitch rates.          Then at

          50,000 feet, I was anxiously a.wa.i t :l ng the drogue, because
          these rates were building up a little.          They weren't very
          bad yet, though.    I pushed t he drogue expecting it to de­
          crease, and all it did wa..s a.m.plify th.em.    And we got a. .real
          ride on the drogue for a. whil e, sounded like the one Jim and
          Ed discussed.   It was r e&ll y going pretty bad.
Lovel l   Our angles were what?    About 70 degrees.       We pitched up?
Borman    Oh no, I estima.te we were oscillating back and forth maybe
          20 degrees.

Lo<rell   From the drogue here pitching up we were rolling back a.:nd
          forth more than 20 de.grees on that initial pa.rt.

--- PAGE 59 ---
49


Borman    We'll have to see.      We don't have readings on that .

Lovell    Okay, because I'm sure we did more than 20 degrees.

:Borman   Then I t hrew the motor valves back open age.in on the thrus­
          ters, and that seemed to stop it.      So I left them open a
          while and finally turned them on again and it stopped, and
          it settled out, and it was pretty smooth on the drogue.          As
          a matter of fact, when we got dow to ma.in chute, it we.a

          steady as a rock on the drogue.
Lovell    Yes.
          6.7 35K Checklist
Borman    I turned off the RCS motor valves a.nd blipped t he thrusters
          to clear the lines between 30,000 feet to 26,000 feet.      And
          Jim then opened--The 40K ba.rostat worked fine.
          6.8 Communicatiol_!!!
Borman    And we gave the reentry status report.      I 'm not sure th&t
          Houston heard it, but we told them the drogue was all risht
          and okay.
          6.9 26K Checklist
Borman    Jim, at 26,000 feet you opened the vent air snorkel

--- PAGE 60 ---
50


          and we got a cabin full of         I don't know what it was.
Lovel 1   You had your hood off.      Why?

Borman    I took my hood off to try to find the horizon , so I made
          the reentry with the hood off .

Lovell    Okay, I had my hood on, and I think when we opened up the

          snorkl e; the way that works, the snorkl e draws air through

          t he suit compressor, and then into the suit circuit•

          I had my hood on ; and the flow comes out of an opening

          back here in the hood, and flows down .            I got an eye

          ful l of something that was an acid.

Borman    Acid, eh?

Lovell    Yes.   Really burned my eyes.       My eyes were watering when I

          finP,lly got the hood off.

Borman    We 11 , we accomplished all t he checklists, and we had no

          problems; as a matter of f act, i t went pretty smooth          in
          the time between the drogue deploy and the 10.6 barostat.
          6.10 10 . 6 K Barostat

Borman    It was just like the s i mul a t or.   One th i ng I did notice,

          initially, when we were on the drogue, t he altimeter was

          completely inaccurate.     You couldn't even read it.      We

          were oscillating so bad l y that it was jumping in thousands

          of f eet per second· , oh maybe not thousands, but the needles

          were going a l l over the place; and I remember thinking boy ,

--- PAGE 61 ---
51

          if this oscillation doesn' t s top, I' ll have to punch the

          main chute on the amber l ight, rather than the altime ter .

          But the oscil l~tions did stop.

          6. 11   Hain Chute Deployment
Boman     I punched the main chute at 10 , 600 f eet as indicated on

          the altimeter , and just a millisecond. aft er that, the

          yellow l i ght came on the 10.6 baros tat l ight .     The

          thing deployed immedia t e ly into a reefed condit ion , and we

          examined it in the reefed condition and it l ooked very good_
LoveJl    Frank thought it was in the reef ed con<lition for 3 months .
Borman    It seemed like it s tayed reefed for a long time , then it

          unreefe<l , and I couldn ' t find one gore or one pane l that
          was ripped or frayed or anything .
Love ll   It was a good chl1te .
Borman    Perf e ct chute.

          6. 12 Post Main Checklist
Rorman    We accompl ished the post main checklist, anrl then we
          braced oursel ves very well and wen t to the single point. of
          a ttitun e .

          6.13    Single Point Re l ease
Bormim    When we went to the s ingle point attitude it was exac tly

          the same as we had had it at St . Louie--where they ' d

          rigged--they had a test after John and Gus ' s fl ight .   They
          put a test capsul e suspens ion at St . Louis, and this was

--- PAGE 62 ---
52



          e:x:actly the same.     You get a. good whack and then you sit
          there and vibra.te ba.ck a.nd forth for a little bit.
          6.14 2X Checklist
Borman    2,000 foot checklist we accomplished with no problem.       About
          this time, at 2,000 feet, I heard Air Boss calling and we
          started communicating with Air Boss.        I saw him flying around
          while we were still on the chute. Houston came throU8h
          a.bout this time and wanted to lmow if we had a. main chute.
          I'd ca.lled a.11 these things off, but I guess th.at the com­
          xmmica.tions-maybe the Auto Cats weren't working or some­
          thing.

Lovell    Air Boss should have called back a.nd said•••

Borman    But I called back and confirmed main chute.

          6.15 Landing
Borman    We hit the water with a. pretty good thud, and your window
          went under water, didn't it? Jim's window went under watero
          We hit in a drift. We were drifting to the right rear, and
          there was a 14 knot wind, and when we hit the sp&eecra.ft
          rolled to the right, and your window went under the W&ter,
          and mine eticy-ed up.     Nothing serious tho'U8h,.
Lo-vell   Nothi.n g serious.
          6.16 Postlanding Checklist
Borman    We extended the .RF antenna. to get e. test for them &nd went
          on HF-DF; I hope that somebody heard it. But they had

--- PAGE 63 ---
53


          swimmers there in a.bout 4 minutes, and so I put the HF
          antenna back down to keep it from getting da.maged.   And we
          conducted the electrical check.   I musts~ that I'm gl ad
          that the electrical check was simple, because it was hot in
          there, and we were tired.   I was worried about this before
          and I would never have been able to sit there Blld go t hrough

          this complicated, long check.

Lovell    We had both pl8l'llled, that what we were going to do was take
          off our suits in the spacecraft, and wear our orbital flight
          suits. And I think that we probably would never have gotten
          out of the suits, because we were just too hot and too beat .

:Borman   It was even hot in the spacecraft, so Jim came through with
          the idea of opening the :repress valve, and this wa.s great.
          We bad a.11 that oxygen and you weren't going to use it.    It
          blew all that cool oxygen out and we had o2 HI RATE and the
          snorkel on.   So we stqed pretty cool when you get right
          down to it.   So it was a. good idea.   I don't know if you got
          the blood pressure measurements or not, did you?
          6.17 Blood pressure measurement
Lovell    I took them, I don't know whether they came out or not.     I
          put the reprogre.mmer on in the water and started ta.king blood

--- PAGE 64 ---
54

            pressure measurements a.nd--but that ' s harrl to do.      I

            ought to comment on that.     Because to take a blood

            pressure measurement you had to pump up the thing and

            leave your handsstill, and leave your arms still until

            it bleerts down ; we ll it takes a little while for it to

           bleed down.     Meanwhile , Frank ' s got the checklist out and

            the guys out there are putting on the collar, and we're

           trying t o throw switches and take this and t hat; I ,just.

           thought I might as well start doing it with my other ~a.r.n.
 Ilorman   Same way with the blood pressure they requested over

           Guayrnas during reentry, I make a comp1ete testimonial here ;

           I think once the reentry starts that everything e lse cets

           l eft aside, and you <lon ' t nP-ss around with blood pressures,

           or experiments or anything else.         From then on it ' s sort

           of a case of surviving the darri thing .       I didn't wan t rim
           messing a.round looking for a bl ood pressure ; so we diiln 1 t

           do it.    About thA.t time we cou ldn ' t find the horizon any­
           way.

Lovell     We got called up from the MCC
Borman     But , anyway, we didn ' t do it.   So it didn ' t bother us .
Lovel]     That ' s the first I 'd heard of it when they cal l       up.
                       7.0 .LANDING AN]) RECOVERY
           7.1    Impact
Borman     We were drifting backwards, blunt end forwar d , rather, as

--- PAGE 65 ---
55

             we hit the water,     Although it was a good jolt, I wouldn't

             say it WR.S anything outstanding.    We hit , and Jim, your

             window went under water, right?

Lovell       The snacecraft rolled to the right, I believe .

Borman       Yes.    We hit, rolled to the right, and you went uncier water

             and bobbed right up.

Lovell       Right
Borman       I released the parachute and it fl oated in front of us for
             several minutes.
Lovell       I saw part of it on the left hand side there, or rather on

             the right hand s ide as i t fl oated by my window,
BoI'J'llan   It stayed there for several minutes .    It ' s just the way

             it 's been described before.

Love11       There was an awful lot of fog on the window, though.      I

             noticed tha t   the humidity was such that you could hardly
             see out.    Very foggy .
Borman       I'm not sure that was humidity or that was f rom reentry .
Lovell       Might have been from reentry, I don ' t know.
Borman       I did see the S2F on the chute.     We saw it whi le we were
             sti Jl on the chute coming down,

             7 .2   Checklists
Love ll      The onl y thing I had about the checklists; during the

             recovery phase, I had a hard t ime doing the checkl ist, in
             fact, I had to give it to you, because I couldn't move my

--- PAGE 66 ---
56


           ann doing the blood pressure work.          And that compl icates

           the recovery phase of it quite a bit .

Bonnan     Yes .
 Lovel l   I think it also compromised the blood pressures that way

           too.

Borman     We didn't feel like running foot races when we finally hit

           the water.    We had planned to get out of our pressure

           suits into that orbital flight suit, but the effort was

           just too great . So,we jus t opened t he repress valve to get

           some more cooling in there and sat .
Love l 1   That ' s right .   We opened up t he repress valve; di d we have
           the cabin fan on?
Borman     No, we didn ' t have t he cabin f an on .    He had the snorkle

           val ve with the suit fans and t he o HI HATE and the re­
                                                  2
           press valve open.

Borman     The checklists were all right then as far as you 're con-
           cerned?
Lovell     Yes.    I thought the recovery phase was very good.        I t hink
           I missed one or t wo.     I know I didn ' t turn all the s tack
           switches off, but the power and control switches were off

           during the reentry phase; so, there was no problem there .

           7 , 3 Communications
Boman      UHF .   We had communicat ions with Air Boss whi l e we were

           still on the chute, and we had very good communications

--- PAGE 67 ---
57

         with them in the wa ter.     The communications with Houston

         via UHF were poor.     Once we were on the drogue they kept

         calling us asking us to confirm main chute.         I' m not sure
         they ever hea r d us conf irm main chute.
Lovell   I've often wondered about t ha t .    Watching the other apace­

         craft come in, why they don't call; and I found ou t that
         they do call but they ca..~•t get through.      Must be the
         rel ay pl anet troubl e or something.
Borman   Communi cations wi t h recovery forces on UHF was excel lent.

         HF:   we ext en<ied t he HT<' ant enna, put out HF- DF t one for
         awhil e.   Again I am not sure if anyone picked it up or not .
         We retracted it af ter i t had been up only 8 minutes , be­
         cause of the f act that we did not want to get the HF
         antenna broken of f during the recovery operation.
Lovell   There was no need for HF communications since we vere so
         close to the recovery group.
Bonnan   The chopper was over us about 5 or 6 minutes after landi ng .
         We had much better UHF communications, so, we di d not use
         HF.

               On point of impact, onboard data.       Within t he l i mits
         of the readability of that scal e, it was excellent .          Down
         range and cross range needles were fine.        We actua lly
         ended up about 8 or 9 miles from the carrier.         You just
         can't get much finer infomation out of the down range and

--- PAGE 68 ---
58


           cross range .

Lovell     Did you have any kind of a mal function in the acceler­

           ometer?

Boman      No, but Spacecraft 6 did .     I don 't remember that being

           a condition of the be t.

J.ovel l   I didn ' t either.
Boman      Ground Information .     The ground gave us excellent inforl!la­

           tion, as f ar as everything we needed to know, inc l uding

           recomputing the guidance angles after retro .      The ground

           did an exce llent job.     Tracking data, I don ' t remember

           receiving that .     When Spacecra ft 6 was ent ering, they

           kept tell ing them that they were fine, a.nrl they wer e goi.ng

           right down the s l ot anti everything.    J do not remember
           ever hP.aring from the ground on anything Jike that on ours,

           do you?      Perhaps we did and we were s o engrossed in flyi ng

           it, t hRt we did not notice it.

Love Jl    We ll , we had good communications pri or to b l ackout over

           GuayrnRs .    After we started guiding, going into th e atmos­

           phere, communications went t o pot.

Boman      Status of recovery.      I <lo not think recovery cou1d have
           been any better .
Lovell     Very smooth .

           7. 4 Systems Configuration
Borman     The ECS, as we said before, we had o2 HI RATF. with both

--- PAGE 69 ---
59


         suit fans, snorkel valve open, and the vent valve open .

         We a]so opened the repress valve.     Electrical:   We per­

         formed a simple electrical check.     We turned off 3 and 4J

         l eft 1 anrl 2 on, and watched for the variation in voltage

         on the main buses.     The bus that is fed by land 2 bat­

         teries varied with wave action.

Lovell   That is right.     But 3 and 4 dirl not move from zero.

Borman   And then you turned off squib batteries land 2 also didn't

         you?

Lovell   I left squib battery 3 on.
Borman   Squib battery 3 was the only one that was on.

Lovell   Control:     We turned off the platform, the computer,

         the circuit hreakers to the thrusters, and the RCS

         thrusters.

Borman   He l eft the comput er in PRELAUNCH for 48 seconds or more,
         before we turned it off.     Aeromedical, no comment.     Except

         blood pressure being a nuisance, anrl perhaps even a

         hindrance when we were trying to go around the cockpit

         with the switches and you had to ho 1d one arm stil 1.

         7.5 Spacecraft Status
Boman    RCS fumes:     When you open the snorkel at around 26,000

         feet you get a good load of them.

Lovell   I am not sure what kind of fumes they were.      They were not
         familiar to me.     I have smelled the results of fuel in the

--- PAGE 70 ---
60



           RCS system,and I know what that smells l i ke i t . It did not

           sme l l that way .    I got a burning sensation in my eyes ,

           which was diff erent .      Now, I might have got a mor e con­

           centrated one .      I still had my helmet on , and zipped up ,
           You had your helmet off .       I be1ieve, t hat witr. the snorke l
           open , the compressor ~u1Jed the ambient air through the

           snorkel through the compressors and into the suit circuit .

           That i s why I got a concentrated rlose of whatever was on

           the outside, which causert my eyes to wa t er ann to burn .

           Whether it was the ablative material , the shing1 es , or
           the RCS f umes , I do not know.

Borman     The main chute was perf e ct .
Lovell     Looked beaut iful .

Borr.tan   I coul d not see a rip or a t ear or any fraying or any­
           thing ; i t wa.s just perfec t .   The windows were fo(!gy in

           flight .    I thought they fogged over and the visibi lity
           out of them during the hot part of the re entry , was very
           poor a l so .
Love11     They started to burn a little bit .        Started to peel off

           on the outs ide.      I do no t know what i t was .
Rorman     When we eot on the wa ter t hey were fog~ed over with hu­

           midity and salt spray .      I guess you have to expec t that ,

           Leaks:     There were none , that I know of .     Conldn ' t se e

--- PAGE 71 ---
61


          any or hear any.

Lovell    I did not see a:ny leaks.

Borman    Electrical Power:      We mentioned we had 1 and 2 main

          batteries on, and when we evacuated the spacecraft, we

          turned all four of them on per the checkl ist.        Turned off

          everything but the rescue beacon.      F.lectrical power was

          ampl e, very good.     We were running both suit fans.

Lovell    Oxygen:      Went to repress valve open.

Borman    We went through that swiftly, as a matter of fact , to

          keep cool.
Love ll   'vie noticed before we got out   that both the bottle pressures

          were down to zero.
Borman    Hatches:      After one of the swimmers said we were clear to
          open the hatches, I unlocked mine.         It operated very

          freely and easily.      I could budge it about 2 i nches, but

          I could not lift it.     I probab ly could have if I had
          exerted a l ot of effort, and gotten my Jegs up under me.

          However, the swimmer was right outside, and I asked him

          to he l p.   Ile helped and it came right open, worked very
          wel l .   We had the suit on and left them on.
Lovell    We were warm, undoubtedly.     Getting out of the spacecraft
          as quickly as we did helped us.
Borman    That was the smart thing to do.

--- PAGE 72 ---
62


     Lovel l    I wouldn 't want to sit in there with our suits on.

     13onnan    Plus , I thought the visibility of that suit during re­

                entry left a l ot to be desired.      That is why I had to

                pu1 1 my hood back to find out where we were end what

                position we were in.       I think the suit is an exceJ.lent one ,

                but i t is going t o have to be improved.      We be tter grab it

                and start working, modifying it ; to make it acceptab l e for

                Apoll o.     The sea condition was very goon ; 2 to ,1. foot
                waves .     We bobbed around, although I got a 1itt l e queasy,

                I did not get nauseated, Jim didn't either.

     Lovell     The sea condition was outstanding for landing.

                7. 6 Postlanding Activity
     Borman     Postlanding act ivity was well organized.       We were a li t t l e

                busy.      We did not get t hru until about 10 o'clock that

                night.      Is that right ?

     Lovell     Yes, that is right .

     Borman     He harl a little misunderstanding about riding a bicycl e.

                We understood we were not supposed to rirle until 18 hours

                after impact.      They wanted us to ride it thA.t night after

                we had been through a full day of medical exams, and

                finally had a good supper.       So , we told them they would

                have to hold off until 18 hours after impact.

     FCSD Rep   You are still in the spacecraft for this part.

--- PAGE 73 ---
Borman   Okay.      On :postland.1nc we just sat there .

Lovell   We l l, we went through the check-off list.        That took al1

         the time .         I saw the swimmers, checked the electrical
         system, that they wanted us to do for postl anding.             By

         that time the swimmer had the collar up.           I couJrl see the
         collar going up, and then he got the jacket on .

Borman   We ha.d good commun i cation with t he swir:uner through thA.t
         jack .
Lovell   Excellent communicati ons with the swimmer.

         7 . 7 Com f ort
Borman   It gets pretty wa rm in that sp~cecraft.          I would hate tn
         spend any great deal of time in there without any F.C:i .
Lovell   I can speak as an authority on that.
         7.8 Recovery Poree Personnel
Borman   We covered communications, it was exce llent .         Flotation
         co1Ja.r was fine, wor ked good.

         7 ,9     F.gress
Borman   Egress was normal, just as we practiced in Galveston Day

         several times.         These helicopters did a fine ~oh.    I

         think someone said it was about 23 minutes after we landed
         that we were on our way back.

         7.10      Survival Gear
Bom an   Even the underarm life pr eservers inflated this time .
         Wonder of wonders.         No prob1em .

--- PAGE 74 ---
64


           7.11 Crew Pick Up
Boman      The crew pick up was nominal.

Lovell     Nothing else.      Everything was fine .

                        8.0   SYSTEMS OPERATION
           8 .1   Ple.tfom

Borman     We aligned the platform 3 t imes.       W:ach time it worked
           just as advertised.      Daytime alignrnent,of course,was no

           prob] em.    We got very ample yaw reference out the window.

Lovell     Caging, for fast heat dropout took approximately 23

           minutes.

Boman      Night time, the initial alignment is a litt1e difficult i f

           you do not have a full moon.      With a fu 1 1 moon it is al­

           most as easy at night as it is in the daytime.         It rea 1.ly

           lit the terrain up.

Lovell     To get your initial spacecraft attitude, the full moon

           is very nice .

Borman     Right, without a full moon, I think it woul d take you a

           little whi le to align to get your Spacecraft BEF, so that

           you would not have to torque the platfom too far for
           alignment.

Lovell     You get to know the stars.
"!3orman   Yes, you have to use the stars .       It would be difficult
           to pick up the ground and track it.        Platform Morl es: CAGE.

           Jim ~aid that took 23 minutes for a fast heat drop out.

--- PAGE 75 ---
65


           SF.F worked perfectly.           BEF worked perfectly.    ORB RATE

           s eemed to be fine ,       We used it preparing for the rendezvous

           with Spacecraft 6.         After running OP.BRATS fo r

           approximately an hour , and then going back to align S P.P ,

           we did not notice a great amount of misalignment.              ?he

           only time it was on F'RF:E was during reentry,            I cuess the
           FREF. worked fine .

Lovell     No probl em about displays , were there ?

Boman      lfo , not at all ,

Lovell     Been using- them for a couple of years now.

'B orman   No prob l em about contro l s .       ~'h~ PLATFORM mode worked
           well ,      During our last alienment, we had degraried opera....ion

           in thrusters~ and 4; so we aliened it manually f or 2

           orbits .       It was very easy to no , ann it worked fine .

           We had eJ l the confidP-nce in the worl ri as far A. S atti tude

           reference is concerned,

           8 . 2 OAJIS

'Rorinan   OAMS        operational che ck, Pad:     I   tr.ink we went arnunn

           the horn about~ times before they were satisfieri.

Lovel 1    It took three circuits to s et them ,

Borman     Ri gr t ,     Inflight O~J~S :    The on ly ooerati0nal er.eek we harl

           is when we lost the complete authority in yaw richt,
           thrusters 3 and 4,         We noticed this first 1n PULSE mode;



                                                         •

--- PAGE 76 ---
66


           we switched to DIRECT and in DIRECT we did not e;et. a.ny

           ignition at all as far as I could tell .        In t he OAHS PULSE

           yaw righ c, we were getting slight little pops .       It seemed

           we had about { control authority that we had before we

           experience~ the probl em.     We went to DIRECT, to see what

           effect    DIREC11 ha<l on it and we got some thrust, but i t was

           a.   '1•hishing.   We weren't getting any sound of the

           thrusters.     It was a whishing sound .    T think we were only

           getting an impulse either from the oxi<lizer or the fuel

           escaping.

 Lovell    We couJd hear a cJicking of the solenoids or the operation

           of the va l ves, whatever they were back there .      They were

           worki ng all r ight, but we were not eetting any resuJtant

           thrust.
 Borman    Right.    Systems Monitoring :     Source pressure was fine .

           Went right down t he predicted sche<lule .

 Lovell    As a mRtter of fact, the s ource pressure dropped, just a r

           pre<licted , when we ran out of initial 0.Al18 fuel before we
           went to the re serve tank.       Tt came back in at;air. when we

           actuated the squib.
 Ilorman   ?To , that wasn't the source pressure, that was the regul ated
            pressure.

 Lovel l   I mean the regulated pressure, I'm sorry.
 Borman    The source temper ature     worked fine throughout the flight.

--- PAGE 77 ---
67



           The regul a t ed pressure stayed at 300 , r ight on the money,

           throughout the ent ire flight until the auxiliary tank was

           actuated .     We ot:>erated the auxiliary tank when the nressure

           dr opped about 30 psi .

Love l l   Yes .     It went down to about 260 or 270 .

IlonnAn    Right .     It crune right ba ck up , and the system worked just

           exactly as advertised.      The prope1.1ant ouantity gauge

           worked fine.      Por most of the flight it was right in

           ae-reement with the ground comt:>utations.
Love] J    :/hat wa.s the final pro"9e lJ ant quantity reading?
           1



Borman     About 2 percent to 3 percent .

Lovell     And we s ti ll had 300 psi r egulated pressure .
Borman     Source pressure remained about 1,000 psi .       Monitoring of

           OAMS propellant remaining:        On board in fomat ion I thought .

           was good.      The OAMS propellant quantity gauge, wor ked fine .
Lovell     At least it was on the s i de favoring us .

:Sorman    Yes.      The ground in.formation was excellent.    At the end of

           every da,y they gave us ground r undown of how much O.AMS fue l
           we had remaining.      It worked out fine.     We were short on

           O.&MS fuel.     Any time we di dn't have a s~ecific assi gnment,

           we were in drif t ing f l ight.    That's one thing we want men­

           tioned.      Every time we powered down we' d turn off the ACME

           bias power and the ACME inverter, and invariably t h i s would

--- PAGE 78 ---
68



                • two pulses of
         end up in                  ti   bump, II "bump,
                                                      ti tha t would tend to

         yaw left and roll left.         And the natural tendency of

         the spacecraft to yaw left due to water boiler venting,
         I guess, and perhaps ECS venting, was aggravated by this
         added impulse of two blips when we shut down the ACME.

         How about the selector controls and switches i n the

         cockpit?

Lovell   No comments t here.
Borman   I don't have any either.         The attitude controller, I thought,

         was fine.   No problems.        Maneuver controllers were fine.
Lovell   The right hand maneuver controller was a very nice operating
         controller and it was very handy.         Very easy to operate.
Borman   As far as inflight malfunctions or irregularities, we lost
         aut hority on thrusters 3 and 4.        We got some of our yaw
         righ t capability back by turning off the circuit breaker for
         Thruster 12 and then thrusting backwards with the maneuver
         controller in order to give us yaw right.          This wor~ed very

         well and enabled us to check yaw right drift rates and
         enabled us to make yaw right maneuvers.          The only thing-­
         you couldn't get very small control inputs with this mode.

Lovell   And you used a lot of gas.
Borman   And you used a lot of gas.         I was very happy when we finally

--- PAGE 79 ---
··-◄ - ..-...            'ii
                       .;J,, ... , : · -           -   L.   :-...   ..   •-t   ._~                             69


         aligned the platform for reentry that we were able to get
         enough control out of 3 and 4 to align the platform.                                           'When
         we did this, of course, in order to get yaw control we went
         to roll jets - pitch, and that worked fine.                                           I don't have
         anything to add to that malfunction.                                         We heard the solenoids
         working.   When we went to DIRECT we could feel we did get an
         impulse, but we did not seem to get ignition.                                           It sounded
         more like a swishing noise.                                The ground ana.lyzed it and
         seemed to think it we.s a problem with the valve seats.                                          I 'm
         not certain what it wa.s. I do know that we also tri ed s econ­
         dary drivers and that didn't help.                                          I coul d tell that wasn't
         the problem when we f i rst heard it.

Lovell   We tried different modes--PULSE, DIRECT, a.nd RATE COMMAND ,
         but tb.a.t didn't help.                 I think it was mechanica l problem.

Borman   RATE COMMAND is a very tight control mode.                                           I'm very glad i t
         was there.   I think it is very important to have that for
         retrofire.   We also used it for reentry.                                           I think it is a
         very good mode.                   Of course, it is expensive in .f'uel .                       We
         used it also for all our thrusting when we were making orbi t
         adjust maneuvers.
Lovell   Let me ask a question.                   When did you go to RATE COMMAND
         during the reentry?
Borman   I went to RATE COMMAND during reentry Lfte:r guidance initi-

--- PAGE 80 ---
70



           ate and after I started f lying the needles.

Lovell     Because you were overshooting with DIRECT?

:Borman    Right.     I was not able to get the fine control I wanted.

           It would not stay in there.      It seemed like the spacecraf't

           was picking up a torque in roll also, and I was having to

           watch it too close.

Lovell     And this was different th&n what we had in the simulation.

:Borma.n   Yes.     REENTRY RATE COMMAND we never used.   DIREC'l! we used

           once for tracking the Reentry Minuteman in order to catch

           it.     It was moving so swiftly.   We a l so used it in the ini­

           tial phases of reentry, and it worked fine.      The PULSB mode,

           of course, was the one we lived with most throughout the 14

           days.    I thought it was an excellent mode.

Lovell     It is a gas saver and even when you do have a platform the

           PULSE mode is adequate for mos t of the work you can do-- for

           any attitude control, ground terrain observations-except

           for rapid rotations where you need a faster authority.
:Borman    Right.    All ground tracking, PULSi was adequate.    We did

           not have any problem at a l l.   We were able to track the

           Polaris using PULSE.    Everything except the reentry~ we

           could use PULSE mode.    The IlORIZON SCAN mode was fine.    The

           only thing I noticed there was at sunrise and sunset some­

           times, we were driven to a 30 or 40• nosedown pitch attitude

--- PAGE 81 ---
71



          by the thrusters .    The scanners worked great except at sun­

          rise and sunset.

Lovel l   They woul d l ose lock•••

Borman    Sometimes they wouldn't lose lock but, remember, they drove
          the spacecraft nose down.     About 40° pitch down.

Lovell    The one big thing, which wa.s the question in all our minds,
          actually b• PP4D•d,    Another spacecraft nearby will interrupt

          the HORIZON SCAN mode.
Borman    Right.

Lovell    It does effect the scanner operation, so it i s something you
          have to take in consideration.

Borman    That ' s right.   When 6 got between us a.nd tha aun, the scan­
          ners were inoperative and lost lock. PLA'Tlt'ORM mode worked
          excellently when we had it, and we 'll.lled it to align the
          first two time ■ we had the platform.     I think that you can
          do a finer job, and, you can a lign the platform more closely
          manually.   Thie is becau se the deadband on the PLA.TFOlffl mode
          i a l arger than you can control manually.    But it certainly
          i a a worthwhile mode and for station keepin&' it is a super­
          ior type of operation.      Tra.nal&tion maneuver• at apacecr&ft
          aepa.ra.tion at SECO + 30--I did not hear the thrusters.      I
          jwst thrwsted.     Jim hit the SEP spacecraft.   Did you hear
          the thru.aters?

--- PAGE 82 ---
72


Lovell   No.     I did not hear the thrust ers.    One reason why we didn't
         hea.r the thrusters in t h.at particular case, whereas we did

         later on, was the fact t ha.t we ha.d our hoods on and the air
         was blowing in and making a l ot of noise.       It Wl!.S strictly

         by feel and by sight.     No sound.

Borman   Right.    Peri gee Adjuat Translati on.   Accel erometer bias was

         what they thought it was prelaunch, and it remained that way
         throughout the f light.    This was a. no platform Perigee
         Adjust, so, really that doesn' t have any meaning there.        The
         timing on the first Peri get Adjust Maneuver was off, thanks
         to me.    Jim ma.de the maneuver.     We did it without a platform
         on a. star.   And, as I mentioned earlier, about this time we

         were in cl ose proximity to the booster, and we started fly­
         ing through some particles, but I wa.s not sure exactly what
         it was, so I told him to stop thrusting as we approached
         this.    Then, when we got in there, when we stopped th.rusting,
         this wire came forward, hi t the hatch, and I lost the timing
         again.    We thrusted, I guess , a little too l ong.    I a.m not
         sure exactl y how l ong i t was.    I think we were aiming for a.
         perigee of about 102, and ended up with about 120. M.&¥be
         they changed their minds and went for a perigee of 120.         I
         don't know.
Lovell   Well, that time which they gave us was not consistent with

--- PAGE 83 ---
73


         the flight plan.    They e;a.ve us one minute and 16 or 17 sec­
         onds, &nd the flight plan called for 46, I think.

Borman   Well, we may get that cleared up when we talk to the ground.
         But, it was greater than I thought we had planned to do.

         Updating throughout the flight was excellent.       Checklist
         wa.s fine and, of course, we did not use the computer.
Lovell   We might mention here that both Frank and I think making
         adjust maneuvers without a platform is very feasible.        You

         can use the reticle for alignment and use the stars a.s a
         reference.    Since you a.re usu.a.lly using the aft thrusters,
         you do not have thruster light to worry about.       You can
         turn down the lights.       It takes two people thoughf one per­
         son to burn, hold attitude on the star, and watch the star
         reference and the other person to time.      It required two
         people, but it is & very feasible method of doing it.        I

         think you get some very good accuraciea with it, because we
         found out from the second burn.
         8.3 RCS
Borman   RCS operational checks were nominal.      We had no problems at
         all with the RCS.    System monitoring was perfect and it did

         not drop one bit during the 14 da.ys.     After we actuated it,
         it vent from 3,000 to about 2,600 to 2,500 psi on the source
         pressure.    No problems.    Control mode-s, RATE COMMAND.   .AJJ I

--- PAGE 84 ---
74


         have said, it is a very tight and fine mode.    We used it
         during most of the reentry.     REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did
         not use.   DIREC~ I used for the first part of the reentry,
         and it seemed that we were picking up rolling torques , and
         I was also starting to pick up pitch and yaw oscillations
         as the gs were coming on.     They were slight ones but I
         really wanted to get the spacecraft steady, end I was real ly

         trying to lock it in on the attitude indicator, so we went
         to RAT~ COMMAND.    I didn't see any reason to bring back a
         lot of RCS fuel anyway.   REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did not use.
         The PUISE mode wa.s used in the reentry prior to guidance
         initiate, and it worked fine.    Retrofire attitude control
         was excellent and I'm gl ad we bad RATE COMMAND there because
         we had no outside reference at all.    Retrofire was done on
         the ball with the rate needles, and I thought the rockets
         were outstanding.   Yes.h, outstanding, I thought they were a
         little more powerful than I had anticipated.

Lovell   Q;uite all right.

Borman   Reentry attitude control deadbands and rate damping was
         fine.   The only thing, I guess, that was wrong with RATE
         COMMAND was the fact that it uses an awful lot of fuel.

         But, it certainly holds that spacecraft steady as a rock.
         The heater lights - we solved that problem very easily.       We

--- PAGE 85 ---
75


         turned on the RCS Heaters on the second dtcy and left them
         on through the entire £light.     They sequenced and went on
         and of£, I am sure, but we did not know about it.        We never
         saw the light, and we did not have to worry about it .

Lovell   The temperatures kept right around 80° a ll the time.

Borman   No comments on thruster f iring, worked fine.        We shut the
         RCS system down initially around 35,000 feet, shut off the
         motor valves and then the oscillation on the drogue built
         up even greater than it was.     So we turned them back on
         again, and I'm not sure if it is my imagination or not but

         it seemed like this had some effect on damping the oscilla­
         tions.     It may have been just the position in the reentry,

         though.     I had the feeling that perhaps we had run out of
         RCS fuel prior to drogue depl oy.     I am not certain, but if
         we di dn't then the RCS didn't have the authority, because
         we were oscillating before drogue deploy.         I didn't notice
         any RCS fumes after impact.      Did you, Jim?
Lovell   After impact? No.      I think that our system of turning the
         Repress on and getting the ..•
         8.4 ECS
Borman   Why don't you comment on suit mobility?

Lovell   This was a flight that actually did some evaluation on the
         suit.     We had the new light weight suit.      Mobility is better

--- PAGE 86 ---
than the 4-C suit, but mobility in the Gemini cockpit with
          the 5-C suit still restricts the person such that it de­
          grades his performance for long duration missions.        It is

          still quite inunobile in the 5-C suit.    We still have a lot
          of trouble with it.    The suits checked out all right prior
          to the flight.   We did not do any integrity checks with the
          light weight suits during the flight.     The     air flow

          through the suit was adequate where the flow got to the
          body.   However, there were many pockets where the &ir became
          stagna.nt, especially in the crotch area..      It would heat up
          in local areas of the body and would not provide adequate
          cooling.   Humidity goes right a.long with temperature.      The
          areas where the air flow did not go across the body, was
          very humid.   We also noticed that it gave you sort of a wet
          clammy feeling when the cool air went in there.       It gave you

          sort of a. cold, clammy feeling where the flow went th.rough.
          Places where the air did not res.ch were hot and clammy.
:Sorman   Also, the humidity in the ca.bin was very, very low when we
          were in the suits.    The ca.bin was dry and hot.    Very, very
          poor.
Lovell    The humidity dew point was between 52 and 58 most of the
          time.   We have some accurate figures on that.      I don't recall
          any instance of even seeing the CO2 gauge move other than

--- PAGE 87 ---
77


during tape dumps.   We h&d no evidence of co 2 •     Com.fort in
~ pressure     suit is compromised.    It restricts mobility
and the Gemini cockpit is just not th.at big for long dura­
tion flights where you can live with the suit.        Suit con­
trols were very a.dequate. no problems there.       We bad abso­
lutely no problems with the o2 demand regulator.        The elec­
trical umbilical is unga.inly a.nd heavy.     The connection
right angle sticks out in the cockpit.       It could be better
designed.   We did not have fingertip lights.       Our mode of

operation. with the suit on, was pr:1.ma.rily with the hood
off, the cover visor on, and the gloves off.        Maey' times we
also unzipped the big zipper through the crotch and up the
back, and left that zipper open.       We found that the big
opening in the neck, with the crotch zipper closed, most of .
the air would go out through the neck and would not adequate­
ly vent the lower stoma.ch area.      We had planned in our flighl;
plan to try going suitless.    As per plan, about the second
cl&y, I got out of my suit and found after settling down to

the environment that the skin became drier.       There were no
wet spots or dampness in the underwear area.        I put my suit
inlet hose along side of me on the center stowage area with
the opening facing aft blowing air do-wn alongside the seat
blowing &ft.    The exhaust hose was put back into its stowage

--- PAGE 88 ---
78



         position, with the screen on, a long the lower right hand

         footwell e.rea.   This provided adequate ventilation du.ring
         most of the time.    When we exercised we found out we built
         up quite a bit of extra heat.     I would then move the inlet
         hose to a position along side of me, along my left leg,
         and tie it down along the side pedestal with the opening
         facing upward.    This would provide more cooling into the
         basic cockpit area and woul d actually keep me a lot cooler
         then I had been before.     We found out that without suits on,
         the cockpit actually became bigger.      There was more oppor­
         tunity to move a.round.    You could move the body, there was
         lees hesitancy to exercise, less resistance to exercise,
         you could get to things easier.     You actually had more con­
         trol and more comfort without the suit on.      We stowed the
         suit on the seat, putting the visor a.long the outer part of
         the top of the seat rest a.nd doubling the legs back against
         the back of the seat.     We stowed the harness in the juncture
         of the back and the seat of the ejection seat.      During zero
         g we were floating up and we never touched the back pa.rt of

         the seat.

Borman   I have some flight notes tha.t I will just read out for the
         record.     Ventilation without suits,   The bypass hoses on the
         Gemini provide excellent return ducts for the suit compres-

--- PAGE 89 ---
79


           sors.   They were mounted with the inlet on the outside wa.11
           near the individual crewma.ns outboard knee.    The suit inlet
           hose wa.s then positioned to secure different !low patterns.
           ]ecause no provision had been made for special inlet hoses,
           only two positions were tried.    The one most often used was
           the suit inlet hose located near the inboard shoulder point­
           ing forwa.rd.   This produced a flow pattern from righ.t to
           left down across the body.    The body was never really in the
           flow but a very comfortable circulation pattern was set up.
           The other primary pattern consisted of leaving the suit out­
           let hose in the same place, but putting the inlet hose nea.r
           the outboard lrnee, pointing 90• from the direction of the
           outlet hose.    This pattern a l so produced a comfortable flow
           pattern.     In truth, I believe the cabin is so small in
           volume compared to the amount of air introduced by the suit
           circuit that almost any- arra.ngement would provide enough
           &ir to provide efficient cooling.    We also have some sketch­
           es of how this went.
Lovell     We also believe, after spending several dteys without suits
           on that the theory that at zero g there would be no con•
           vec'Ji.on cooling•••
:Borma.n   I am sure that there isn't a:riy, due to oha.nge in the heating
           condition.

--- PAGE 90 ---
80                   ..

Lovell    The mass of the air being pushed out by the compressors is
          enough to give adequate flow throughout the entire Gemini

          cockl)it.   We had no problems with air flow.

:Borman   It would have been a very, very difficult task to stay in

          those suits for 14 days, i f not impossible .   We cer t ain­
          ly woul d have been in much worse shape when we got down.

Lovell    I believe so.     We were requested from Houston to try the
          hose position evaluation where by the inlet and outlet hoses

          we.re together.

:Borman   Yes.

Lovell    We tried it and to be perfectly honest, with the small cock­
          pit and the 8.lllount of flow out of the inlet hose, we did not
          find much difference, it was adequate, but it was awkward
          to use it that way.     We di d find out that if my exhaust hose
          was put on Frank 's side t hat we would ge t stagnant spots on

          my side of the cockpit where although I wasn't uncomforta-

          ble...
:Borman   •.. that is with yo~ inl et hose being turned off.     So all
          these flows were introduced on my side and both the return

          hoses were on my side.

Lovell    That is right, they were on your side.     I found stagnant
          areas, I wasn't uncomfortable, but I did find stagnant area.a
          where there was no flow going on on my side.     You have to

--- PAGE 91 ---
81



         have adequate positioning of the exhaust and inlet hoses.

Borman   I think really to solve the whole problem, if you want to
         design efficient cooling for suits off operation in space­
         craft, design it the same as you would on the ground.

Lovell   Right, I think you are right.

Borman   You would have no problem.    For instance, in J110st 0£ the
         airplanes now that are pressure cooled the flow is so great
         across them that you have a continuous flow patte:r.n 1n there,

         coming out usually .f.'.rom one inlet located up around you:r
         right shoulder a.nd a couple 1n around your feet.     I don't
         think you have to worr:, about the bll88,boo of no convection
         in zero g because it is overshadowed by the large kinetic
         energy input through the l arge amount of air.
Lovell   Cabin pressure was 5.5 on lift-off, came dow.n to 5.1 and
         st!cy-ed there exactly 5.1 for 14 dqs .    It did not move when
         we jettisoned the ad&pter and went on the bottles, it stqed
         exactly 5.1.   The only time I saw it move was on the water
         when we used all the o:zyge. up and it went to ze:ro.
Borman   Well, i t was below 5.1 when we opened the :Inlet Snorkle.


Lovell   Inlet Snorkle.. yes, that is right.
Borman   You were talking about the inlet bottle pressure.
Lovell   Yea, tb&t•s right , the bottle pressure.

--- PAGE 92 ---
82



:Borman   The temperature va.ried with the suits on and the suits off
          operation.   I have gone through my notes here, and I note
          that it says when we both had suits on and we were just
          barely cool enough with both suits on and the :B pumps run­
          ning.   On the other hand, when we were both out of the suits,
          the :B pumps only running, we were very comfortable.   When
          we were up working and opera.ting, we noticed that the temp­

          erature level in the cockpit was just right.    We were run­
          ning most of the time with the suits full cold, the heat
          exchanger full cold, and maximum air flow on both controls.
          Then for several days when we went to bed, we left the con­
          trols that way, a.nd we would wake up very cool.

Lovell    Well, there a.re several factors .   I think the size of the
          Gemini cockpit and the fact of & completely closed loop
          system is very dependent on 2 factors.    One was the heat
          output of the people and two was the amount of heat you get
          in through the windows due to the sun.    At night our heat
          output decreased, we put up shields on the windows, includ­

          ing some aluminiz~d foil to reflect the sun, and I think
          the combination of both these things with the systems we had
          during the day time really dropped the heat in the cockpit.
          Then, during the day when we were active and had the windows
          open a.gs.in, the temperature increa.aed inside the cockpit so

--- PAGE 93 ---
it was very com.fortable.
Borman     That is right but the last couple of dqs we turned dollll the
           suit flow at night and it helped out.
Lovell     To compensate for this thing we turned down the suit flow.
Borman     There's a lot of inertia in the cooling system and it takes
           & long time from the time you make a move on the oontrols
           before you can feel it.
Lovell     Just to regress here one minute.     When I was out of the suit
           and Frank was in it, we put my suit flow to .i'ull decrease

           &nd his to full increase to give him ma.rlmum cooling in the
           suit.     I was not uncomfortable with the full decrease flow
           in the cockpit.
Borman     The humidity in the ca.bin was higher with the suits off.
           It W&s a much more comfortable cabin.     Your skin di dn't get
           dry, and the nose problems we ha.d the first 3 or 4 cla3"s went
           awa::,.   I am not sure that we ca.n contribute this solely to
           beina' out of the suits or whether it was the fact we were
           becoming more acclimated to the 100 per cent o:r:ygen.
Lovell     We have some accurate figures.     I believe thou&h, that with
           suits on the humidity-temperature ra.nge w&s &bout 20 degrees
           difference.    With the suite off they went a.round 10 degrees,
           I suapect.
:Bo:rman   We have them &11 there.     The onl y time the CO       jumped at &11
                                                               2

--- PAGE 94 ---
84




          was dlll."ing t ape dumps, it would go up a.nd then come b&ok
          down but we lrnew this before flight though.     Comfort dq
          a.nd night, with and without suits .. .There is just no com­
          parison.. I have the notes that I wrote down while we were
          still up there.      There is no comparison between suit on and
          suit off operation.     The suit off is 1,000 per cent better.
          I think I may have been conservative.     It wa.s ma.ybe a lot
          better than tha.t.    Comfort without the suits was by and
          large very good.     We used the cabin fan only once in the
          entire mission during one of the checks with the suit off.
          This was when we had Jim's ■uit inlet hose blocked off &nd
          my inl et hose operating in my side &nd the two suit outlet

          hoses in my side of the spacecraft.     As we already mentioned
          here, Jim noticed some stagnant areas in the ap&oecra.ft, and •
          we turned on the cabin fan to see if this aleviated the pro­
          blem, and it did help.     There was a definite circulation
          with the cabin fan on.     The only problem is the cabin £an
          draws a cons iderable electrical load, and we did not have
          the power to run it continually.     The cabin pressure r egu­
          lator worked perfectly, it never worked at all .
Lovell    That is right, never heard it, thank goodness.
:Borman   That's the pressure relief valve.     Right, never hea.rd it.
          It never actuated.     The cabin pressure regulator was ae

--- PAGE 95 ---
85



           steady as a rock .   AB Jim ha.a already mentioned it st~ed

           5.1 the whole flight, a.nd•I never saw it budge at a.11, until
           you opened the snorkel.
Lovell     Right.
~SD :rep   Cabin vent va.lve.

Lovell     We had a double vent valve with the tip bent up to protect
           t he stop. We never used tha.t until we got down to the
           checkl ist during the reentry portion of the flight.
Borman     The Cabin Repress V~lve was on the entire flight because we
           had the M-1 Experiment hooked to it .     Then, of course, we
           actuated it aga.in when we got on the wa.ter just to get some
           cooling oxygen into the spa.oeora.ft.     I have no oomments on
           i t, we bad no problem with it, the friction had bean in­
           crea.sed on it so tha.t it worked quite well.    It st!cy"ed in
           the open posi t i on for the entire flight.   The Ca.bin Air In­
           l et Valve, we used•.•
Lovell     Just during the reentry phase•.
Borman     Right.   Just during the reentry phase.
Lovell     •.•with the snorkel valve, th&t is when I t hink I got a
           whiff of that stuff through there.
:Borman    All the time with the suits off, we were running with the
           Cabin Air Reci.rcula.tion Valve closed.    The r est of the time
           when there was one person in the suit and one person out of

--- PAGE 96 ---
86


          the suit we r&n. with it in a 45 degree position.      When both

          people were m the suits, we ran it in the 45 degree posi­

          tion.

Lovell    I'd like to make one comment· on the C&bin Inlet Valve, I

          think a. future procedure woul d be to either open the visor

          or unzip the hood prior to using the snorkel va.lve, so you

          do not get this concentrated ambient flow into the suit in

          a small concentrated area.     Okay.      Primary o
                                                                2 System
          Monitoring.

Borme.n   Prima:ry o System Monitoring was no problem. The cryogen­
                   2
          ics bottle for ECS o orygen did vent •.. I think i t was
                              2
          a.bout the 8th d~ it started venting.     Performance of the

          cryogenics bottles have been outstanding.     The first one,
          ECS o , started venting tod~.      And we were still adding
               2
          heat to the other two bottl es.    Let's see, this was Sunday

          morning so that woul d have been the 8th day that i t started

          ventmg.      The quantity measuring system worked fine.    The

          flow rates were adequ&te .    I just ca;nnot emphasize enough

          the desirabil ity of going without suits.    The pressure a.nd

          temperature remained just nominal.     We had dome plots &boa.rd

          the spacecraft, and we checked them out.     We had to use the

          auto heater on the ~S o bottle perhaps, the first two days
                                  2
          or so and then we were able to turn the heater off complete-

--- PAGE 97 ---
87


         ly.   That bottle had a big enough heat leak so that it main­
         tained pressure itself.    As I said, it started venting on

         the 8th day.   We never used the manual heater on the E'.JS

         o2 bottle.
Lovell   As a matter of fact, the prilna.ry o2 helped, rather we util­
         ized the primary o to pump up the pressure on the ro o2
                           2
         sometime in the early pa.rt of the portion of the flight.

Borman   Yes, we used the crossover valve.    When you hit the squib
         or when you hit the switch to open the solenoids, even
         though we had been led to believe that i t takes some time
         for that pressure to build up, it looked to me that it went
         to about 250 in the FC o2 bottle almost immediately.     It
         went from 100 to 250 almost immediately.    I imagine it will
         come down when we talk about the FC o2 problem.

Borman   Secondacy o System Monitoring was nothing, we checked it •••
                    2
         all the time, but GO/NO GO decision once a ~ . It stS3"ed
         exactly the same throughout the entire flight--5400 and

         5300.

Lovell   It did not budge at all.
Borman   Quanti ty meaauring.•we do not measure except for pressure,
         and as we said that stayed constant.    Flow rates, pressures,
         end controls were nominal in the secondary o2 • You could
         not tell when we had gone off the primary onto the seconda.ry

--- PAGE 98 ---
88



     o2 .    We have already talked about the co 2 partial pressure.

     It was below zero the entire flight except during tape dumps

     when it jumped up due to a glitch that the tape dump puts in

     the TM system.     Radiator operation and configuration••• We

     ran radiator on all the time except for two checks that were

     made.     Actually when we opened circuited the fuel cells be­

     fore we brought them back on the line, we went to RADIATOR
     BYPASS twice.     Then we went to ·RADIA'IDR BYPASS once when we

     wanted to get the water out of the ECS System.      One time

     during the flight we were picking up water.      This might be

     a good place to cover that.     We were picking up water coming

     out of our suit inlet hose, in quite large quantities.      We

     called the ground, and they suggested that perhaps the vater

     boiler was not venting.     They called up the procedure that

     included putting on evaporator heat, turning off the radia­
     tor and going to bypass on the radiators and rota.ting the

     spa cecraft at 10 degrees per second.     This threw out large

     amount of water and things got back to normal.      Later on in

     the flight we noticed the same thing, but we were busy align­

     ing the platform and other things and we did not want to

     setup rol l -rates.   All we did was put the suit coolant to

     warm and put both suit fans on and blew the water out of
     t he system, and that worked also.     We did notice that during

--- PAGE 99 ---
89



         the flight, down in the vicinity of my right foot in the
         center pedestal lower area there, around the cabin heat

         exchanger, we got a lot of condensation.    It was very wet
         on the walls a.nd the blotter paper was sopping wet, a radius
         of about 12 inches on the lower right pedestal, on my side.

         I do not know how it was on your side.

Lovell   It started getting wet on my side, the inboard.

Borman   Yes, inboard side.    That is the only place in the spacecraft
         that I noticed any condensation.    As far as I know the evap­
         orator only operated during l aunch and the first orbit.      We

         also had one other day when we woke up and were tumbling
         quite badly and the wall temperatures were 16 degrees to 20
         degrees lower th.an we ever recorded tb1;!m before.   I suspect
         that the evaporator might have worked that night.     We men­
         tioned this to the ground and••. let's see, I have some notes

         on that.
Lovell   It probably got filled up from the moisture going into the

         system.
Borman   This was noted in the data for the cabin temperature surveys
         also.     I don't remember exactly what day it was, where we
         noticed this big change in temperature.

Lovell   It was &bout 5 or 6 days after the mission started, wasn't
         it?

--- PAGE 100 ---
90



" orma.n   Yes ..here it is here••• it was 158 hours a.nd 27 minutes when
           we got up, a.nd we had a. wall temperature of 64 degrees and
           a. pilot ha.tch temperature of 66 degrees.   Comparing this
           with 144 hours and 5~ minutes, the hatch temperature had
           been 84 degrees, so there was a. 20 degrees drop du.ring this
           one evening. ~ I attributed this, plus the fact th.at we no­
           ticed la.:rge drift rates when we woke up, to the fact that
           the water boiler must have been opera.ting during the night.
           It was the only time during the flight that we noticed these
           large drops in tempera.ture.•. the very cold wall tempera.tures.
           We were on double loop, B pumps most of the time.     Finally,
           went to A pump twice in the flight when people were in the
           suits in order to at~ cool.     We went to double A pumps, of
           course, when we were powered up.

Lovell     We bad one time when we bad one A pump on.

:Borman    Twice we had it on.
Lovell     Twice, but just one primary pump. We did not go to two A

           pumps.
l3orma.n   No.   A pump in the primary loop was on twice to keep cool.

Lovell     Right.   The second.a.ry loop A pump was not on.
Borman     Never on except during periods when the platform we.a running.

Lovell     Right.
Borman     Now, as I mentioned before, when we were running both B

--- PAGE 101 ---
91


         pumps with the suits off, it was comfortable.      When we got

         the suits on, &nd both B pumps going, it was not enough to

         handle the load.

Lovell   It was .m arginal.

Borman   That is right.       Normal mode was all we used on water manage­

         ment.

Lovell   Never touched the---

Borman   Never touch the condensator.

Lovell   The drink gun worked as advertised.

Borman   One thing I would mention is the fact that this logging
         every ounce you drink was an operational nightmare.

Lovell   I think the gun is adequate for flights if all you want to
         do is to know the total quantity of water that is going out
         for balliet purposes or CG purposes.       I do not think there
         is a requirement to know just how much each crewman is drink­
         ing as long as it is adequate.       There is no need to log, all
         you have to do is report counter readings once a da,y for the
         guidance people and .fuel cell people to know just how much

         water is being consumed.
Borman   Right.   It says flush mode.      We never used the Flush mode or

         Evapora tor Fill mode.
         8.5 Communications

Lovell   The interphone Operation and Quality was okay, without the

--- PAGE 102 ---
92


          hood on.   The G5C suit ma.de communications poor, because of
          the flow of the air to the hood.    Other than that I thought
          the interphone was pretty good.

Borman    Yes, we should mention the fact th.at the G5C suit with the
          hood zipped did introduce a lot of noise.

Lovell    Yes, a feed back into those two mikes and there was a lot of

          noise.
Borman    The quality of the interPhone was excellent.   With the suits
          off we didn't use them most of the time, just like t alking
          in a room, so we didn't need it.   My UHF was a little fuzzy

          during countdown.
Lovell    Mine was good.
:Sorman   Yes, yours was good and mine was a little fuzzy.      I could
          hear people all right but they claimed that I was a little
          weak.    In orbit, I just can't say enough nice things about
          the UHF.
Lovell    UHF was excellent in orbit for the entire 14 da;ys.    v~~~


          little static.   High quality reproduction.
Borman    With the squelch on zero.
Lovell    Right, the s~uelch on zero.
Borman    The UHF performance during recovery wa.s excellent.    No peo­
          blems with that at all.
Lovell    We did have trouble getting back to Houston.

--- PAGE 103 ---
93




:Borman   I was very pleased with the entire Voice procedure operation

          a.round the world.   I thought they did 8J1 excellent job. We
          didn 1 t have a:ny problems at all.   They were quiet when they

          were requested to be during our sleep period.

Lovell    They were outstanding.

:Borman   They were outst&nding, yes.

Lovell    The voice tape recorder operation was fine.     There were
          no hitches as far as operating the voice recorder.      It was
          easy to, well , that's three feet of change.    We used mostly

          the CONTINUOUS mode rather than the MOMEN111A.RYa    I used
          MOMENTA.RY when we just wa.nted to m&ke a comment.    As a. mat­
          ter of fact, I think the MOMENTARY position does save a lot
          of voice tape, because you dontt have it on and forge t it.
          However, we had a procedure with the voice tape that was
          going to record the quantity of urine that was dumped.        And
          this led us to leave the voice tape on quite a long time

          when we weren't doing anything or saying anythin~-and using
          quite a bit or tape.     I think that i t would be helpful if
          we had some sort or a little light of some sort to let you
          know that t he tapes on.   When we have a flow meter which was
          being eval uated for future flights and might be a standard
          piece of equi pment then it would certainly be nice to have

--- PAGE 104 ---
94


          some indication if the tape is on.     On long flights you
          can't ha.ve the tape on all the time like the short flights-­

          you ha.veto conserve tape.     Cartridge change was no problem.
          The controls were adequate.     Data Recording? We tried to

          record as much data as we could.
:Borman   We didn't indulge in a l uxury many times of recording both
          in the log book and on the tape.     We only had 20 tapes for
          a 14 day mission.     If we got a good representation of it in
          the log book-we didnJt put it on the tape.      Now, we find
          out we probably brought back some unused tapes, too.

Lovell    We did.    It was hard for a 14 day mission to adequately
          budget the tape.     We would try to budget it so th.at we could
          get the in:f'orm&tion on there 'Without leaving long periods of
          inactivity on the tape.     However, we didn't budget it well
          enough, and we left about 1 or 2 tapes without any record­
          ings.

:Borman   Digital Command System updates were good, no problem--every­
          thing worked fine.    Real-time transmitter, and delay-time
          transmitter were no problem.     As a matter of fact, tb.at
          whole system I thought was excellent.     The only problem we
          had in the area of Digital Command System or the telemetry
          was th.at we lost the tape recorder and ••• goofed up the de-
          1,cy-ed time.   The procedure that we worked up for operating

--- PAGE 105 ---
95


          with Spacecraft 6 in the air, I thought went very well.      It

          posed no problems.   Communications Controls &nd Switches­

          Voice Control Center, Audio modes, Keying and Antenna Selec­

          tion, were all nominal.    We might mention in Sleep Configu­

          ration--we never used the Sleep switches bees.use we had the

          situation where we pretended it was night and went to sleep

          every evening and the ground never call ed us.    I don't think

          they ever violated that for the 14 days.     They never called

          us during the sleep period.

Lovell    So that worked very well.

Borman    Beacon Control was no problem.    We didn't use the Reentry
          C-band Beacon until reentry.     The TM controls, tr8Jlsmitter,

          and antenna again were no problem.     It was operated just a.a

          advertised due to all instructions from the ground.

          8.6 Electrical
Borman    Now we have some interesting things to talk about.

Lovell    Well, we monitored the electrical system pretty closely.

Borma.n   Yea.h, I guess we did.

Lovell    The only thing we can say here is reiterate what we have

          probably said before.     On lift-off we had delta Plights

          come on for fuel cells--both sections.      1   blinked on and

          off several times and went off.      2 blinked on and off

          several times and stayed on through insertion and stayed on

--- PAGE 106 ---
96



         most of the t ime during the 14 days.     We have recorded in

         the flight book of the flight pla.n--those times th.at it went
         off and on to the best of our lmowledge.      I'm au.re we missed
         several of them.
Borman   When we were sleeping particularly.

Lovell   When we were sleeping we missed them, but it appears to me
         that there are two things now that these fuel cells have &
         lot more latitude than we really first realized:      1) We can

         oper&te with the fuel cells with delta Plights on more than
         we thought we could.     .As a matter of fact , we were doing
         normal purges with the .t'uel cell delta Plights on whioh the
         systems book said flatly not to do.     But we had some excel­
         lent guidance a.nd assistance from the ground in keeping the
         sections running.

Borman   I think so, too.
Lovell   I think that's what kept Stacks 2C and 2A going as l ong as
         they did go .   The gauge is a little inaccurate to monitor
         the system.     If we are going to have troubles with fuel cells
         as we did on this flight, and if the ground is going to keep

         requesting accurate stack a.mp readouts.    The gauging system
         is poor because it is ha.rd to read accurately the amps when
         they are down in the low 1 and 2 amps.     Each indicator is
         canted a different way-alternately throughout the 6 stack

--- PAGE 107 ---
97


           readouts.   The ones that are canted inward away from


           you are hard to read.


Bor:ma.n   The fuel cell, as Jim said, was an interesting thing.


           We finally lost stacks 2A and 20 about the 11th or 12th


           day.   stack 2B re.mained on and I'm sure there is a


           whole history written on the ground of the things they


           did and tests they ran at McDonnell when we were in the


           air to see just what they could do and how far they could


           go with these fuel cells.   I thought they did a.n excellent


           job,and we ended up being able to run them the whole time.


           As a matter of fact, we turned on our Squib batteries about


           the 10th day-used the Bua Tie switches and were running
           entirely on the f'uel cells the latter part of the flight.

--- PAGE 108 ---
98


Borman   The onboard cues for monitoring the el ectrical system are

         adequate.     We found out one thing in this f light , t hat is

         the Delt a Plight s really don't mean a lot .     We had been

         told before the flight never to purge if you had a Delta P

         light.   We ended up violating every s i ngle one of t he ca.r-­

         dinal rules that we had.
         I think the t hing to note about the entire electrical

         syst em was the f ine work done on the ground.     They came up

         with solutions.     They evidently were running s imilar t ype

         cel ls a t MAC, St. Louis, and they kept them working

         f or l onger than they should have.

         Fuel c el l operation, as far as I was concerned , Section 1

         was i deal.    Section 1 maintained its share of the load the

         whole fl ight.    Section 2, we lost stacks 2-A and 2-C

         event ual l y, I believe on about the 12th day.    I was a

         little concerned on the 13th day with the sta t us of Secti on 1

         because we had had a delta Plight on Section 1 f or t he

         firs t time and we had been running almost 24 hours.
         But, t he ground came through and read us up a technical

         report from St. Louis that explained the whol e thing.       It

         made me feel a lot easier when they did that.       Rather than

         having t he ground comment blindly on it, "the fuel cells
         are going to be good for 24 hours," I would like t o get a

--- PAGE 109 ---
99

         little background information on it.    How else could we

         know it was going to be good for 24 hours, and what had

         they done to prove it would be good for 24 hours?      They

         read it to us over CS~, it eased my mind a lot because I

         wasn ' t anxious to miss the WASP.   On the 13th day, I
         wanted to be able to go the full 24 hours rather than have

         to land in the Pacific.    So the whole story of the electri­

         cal monitoring, as far as I a.m concerned, was great work by

         the ground.
         The main batteries held constant between 22.5 and 22.7 amps

         for the entire mission, and we checked them once a day at
         the GO/NO GO stations.    When we turned them on · 2    hours

         before retrofire they carried their share of the load and

         were operating fine when we were i n the water.    We turned

         off the squib batteries about the 10th day and used the bus

         tie switches.     We ran entirely on fuel cell power for the
         last five days.    When t he squibs came back on, the voltage

         was 25.5 after they had been turned off for five days.
         They operated properly for the last 2 hours of the flight.

         s.7 Onboard computer
Borman   During t he l aunch it was absolutely a nominal case.     The
         pitch status, yaw status, and roll status, were zeroed

         except for a brief period at guidance initiate when they went

         out about 2 to 3 degrees , and then zeroed.   We had no violent

--- PAGE 110 ---
1JO


          pitch down at guidance initiate.         Attitude indications were

          nominal all the way through.         At insertion , the nomi nal

          velocity on address 72 was 25,804 and when we read it up, i t

          read 25,804 .       The orbit maneuvers using the computer and

          the platform were right on the money.          The accelerome ter
                                                                         1
          bias did not vary, and we burned them off on the IVI a by

          insert i ng them through the MDIU, and it came out very well .

          I did not burn on time , we burned on t he IVI 's.

 Borman   The updates were all made in the PRELAUNCH mode as agreed on

          before fl i ght .     There was no problem, no mi sunderstanding,

          I think F0D did very well i n this regard.          I know t hat in

          Gemini 5 t here was a little mix-up, but we had none of that.

 Borman   Retrofire occurred automatically at the exact second.              All

          four Retros f ired and the IRS was right on the money.             Reentry

          guidance was nominal.        I t was very s i mi lar to the s i mulat ions

          that we had f l o.m.      There was one little anomaly in the guid­
          ance, i n t hat we were gi ven back-up reentry angles of

          50 degrees.     We computed wi th our onboard char t s a reentry

          angle of 50 degrees, back-up angle of 50 degrees.             But t hen

          after tracking, the ground called up a 35 degrees which proved

          to be closer to what we actually f l ew.         I am s till not aware

          of the reason for change; why it changed from 50 degrees t o

          35 degrees. The important t hing i s t hat it did change and the
          ground was able to update u s in real time, and it agreed very
          well with the a

--- PAGE 111 ---
101


Borman   The MDU worked perfectly the entire flight.        Computer modes,

         PRELADNCH, ASCENT, CATCH-UP, RENDEZVOUS , REENTRY, were all
         perfect , no anomalies in any of those,

         8.8   Crew Station

Borman   Controls and di splays,      The sequent i al tel elights o~erated

         exactly as programmed.       At minus 2:56, t hey came on to the

         second.     They a l l turned green when they were punched, no

         probl ems there.     The event timer was used only intermittantly

         throughout the f light for timing, and for the last 20

         minutes.     It worked f i ne.   The IVI's also worked exactly as

         planned.     The Flight Di rector Indicator was again, a nomi-

         nal case.     One sli ght difference between the simulator and
         the Flight Director Indicator i n the spacecraft, was the

         little outer roll gimbal i ndi cator in the simulator always

         came up to the top.      I'd grown used to flying the reentries

         by using that as a lift vect or.       In the spacecraft when we
         got all set up for reentry, low and behold, the outer roll

         gimbal was down at the bottom, so I had to fly the reci­

         procal of it.      But it was just a minor change and I ended

         up acclimating to it with no problem.        I think it is just a
         function of how you happen t o go through zero.        If you go

         through zero just a little bit to one side, the gimbal goes

         to the top, and if you go through the other side, it goes

         to the bottom.

--- PAGE 112 ---
102


Borman   GLV fuel and oxidi zer pressure gauges were nominal.      The

         concept of sticking the decals on the outside of the gauge

         is poor at the best.    But, we all know this has been done,

         and they're not going to change the gauges, and it worked

         fine.    I would suggest never going this way again.     I think
         we ought to change the meters in the future.

Borman   The alti meter worked fine.    The only problems we had with

         the altimeter was    when we were oscillating violently on the

         drogue , it was not indi cat i ng descent.   As soon as the

         drogue oscillations st eadied out , the alti meter came down

         very well.    Rate of descent indicator was likewise.    As a

         matter of fact, I can't tell you what the r ate of descent ·

         was after we opened the main chute.      The main chute was so

         good when we looked at it.    We didn't see any gores or
         frays.   And when we went to s i ngle point release, I didn't

         even look at the rate of dascent indicator.      Did you?

Lovell   I couldn't see it.
Borman   Did you even think about it?

Lovell   No, you mean to tell me you didn't look at the rate of
         I
         descent indicator?
Borman   We could tell from the altimeter we were going down very

         slow.    The acceler ometer seemed to give us slightly lower
         values thttn the recorded.    I think on the reentry the highest

         value we got was 3.9 g's.     During launch the highest that

--- PAGE 113 ---
103



         was recorded on the a~celerometer was about 6.75 g's.      I

         understand that the actual value was over 7.      On the nominal
         profile, it i s.

Lovell   Was the reentry a little higher than 3.9?

Borman   I don ' t know, I doubt if it was, it was so near ful l lift.
         Switches and circuit breaker panels.    We had a coupl e of

         cases knocking of f circuit breakers.   We did have one fuel

         cell control ci rcuit breaker pop on us twice .

Lovell   I am not real sure i t popped.   I don' t know whether I hit
         it ina.dvertantly twice.

Borman   No, you didn't.    The second time I watched it pop.
         Other than that, I thought the switches and circuit panel s

         were well located.    I think it i s very important that we

         have those guards on there, particularly with changing suits.

Lovell   The fuel cel l switches, the power and control switches,

         should be LIFT to move switches.    They should be over center

         locks that you have to lift to move them up.      There was a

         guard over i t, but still it was so easy to reach up there
         and hit those things .   I was a l ways worried about throwi ng

         the control switch of f, which would have really foul ed up

         the fuel cells.

Borman   You mean like the squib switches? ...

Lovell   Yes , like the squib switches.   I think that is the way they

         ought to be ~ecause you never touch them unless deliberately.

--- PAGE 114 ---
104



Bo·-m.a.n   Yes, that is a switch that is never moved unless there is

            a failure in the fuel cells.

Lovell      They should be a little better type of switch than they are.

Borman      Mirrors.     Operating without suits on, I found that I seldom

            needed the mirror.     I don't believe I used it more than
            2 or 3 times except to check and see how far m;r beard had

            grown.     Row about you, did you?

Lovell      Well,    they were good for things like looking way back in
            the corner, and shining a light back there.

Borman      I was mobile enough that without a suit on I could turn
            around very easily and see all around.     There is no question
            you need the mirrors.     I am not suggesting even remotely
            that you take them out.    With the suit off it cuts down the
            need for them.     The swizzle stick we used once to pry up
            the center line stowage bracket.     When we opened the center
            line stowage after launch,     the bottom bracket sprung down
            about ~/4 inches, and we bad great difficulty to close it.
            We only closed it twice during the flight after that.    We
            just kept it velcroed partially shut.

Lovell      I think the boost acceleration sprung it out of position.
Borman      Either that, or when they put that fix on there to beef
            it up, it resulted in an out-of-tolerance eitua.tion. I hope·
            that the people did not fo~ce it shut and then let us take
            off that w~.      That was a pain in the neck to get it shut.

--- PAGE 115 ---
105


Lovell     We had to use the levers of the swizzle stick to get the
           thing back together again.     This was bad.    We also used the
           swizzle stick to keep the manual heater switch down on the
           FC H which is a real big pa.in. I t is a very a.m all swit ch
               2
           and you have to hold it for a long tiine. That gets to be
           a lot of trouble.
Borman     Lighting, indicators and instruments .    There is one
           instrument in the spacecraft that should be lit that i s
           not.   Tba.t is the digital timer.   That is the most
           valuable instrument onboard.     We used it continually, it
           never varied one second in 339 hours.     We never had to
           reset that once.     It was exactly on the money.   We checked
           it periodically and it never gained or lost a second.
Lovell     But it had to be lit.
Bor.man    It should be lit because it is right on the center panel,
           and there is no lighting on it except for the bright l i ght
           from the back.     Ma.ny times at night and when you are trying
           to :maintain dark adaptation you end up having to use the
           flashlight on it.
Lovell     It should be a red light for night work.       In the day time
           you don't need it because the cockpit is lit up anyway.
           It really ruined night vision to turn on that flashlight
           to find out what time it was.
Bor:ma.n   The left panel was fine when it was lit up with the display
                        ~

--- PAGE 116 ---
106


          light.    The center panel and the right panel were all right.

          There is no question that the lighting system on the LEM is

          superior.

Lovell    We used the red lighting more than I thought we would ever

          use it.     We never used it in simulations.     The red lighting
          turned out ve-ry nicely when we started looking out the

          window, using the stars, getting oriented and things of this

          nature.

Borman    The pedestal, console and circuit breaker areas just aren't

          lit.     Same way with the water management panel, when you

          wanted to check that,the only thing you could do was use

          your flashlight.     It was not a big problem.     The little

          flashlight that CSD developed, and put in, was one of the

          most valuable pieces of gear we had.     We used it continually

          throughout the flight, it is much more valuable than finger­

          tip lights. I see no reason for fingertip lights because
          you're not going to fly with gloves on most of the time.

          If we would have had them, they would have been stowed.

          This little flashlight turned out to be a little jewel.           The
          utility light I did not use once in the whole flight.

Lovel l   I turned mine on once to see if it worked.
Borman    The flashlight was much easier to get to.        We velcroed it

          right in front of us, and it was very handy.       And at the

          end of 14 days it seemed as bright as it was before.        One

--- PAGE 117 ---
107


          of the serious deficiencies in the flight was the dirty

          window.
Lovell    I just talked to John Erinkman about the film.       He said a

          lot of it was good, but a lot of it they could tell the

          window was dirty.
Eorman    What about the booster film?
Lovell    They haven't processed two rolls of film yet and they don't

          have the Polaris launch yet.       The Houston one turned out

          sort of hazy and I thought it was a clear day.       He told me

          there was haze on the ground.

Borman    Did they see Houston all right?
Lovell    They could make out the International Airport.
:Borman   You took that with the 250 mm. lens .
Lovell    The high speed film.     They don 't want to process it until

          they tal k to us to find out what kind of ex:posures we used.

          We had all kinds of ex:posures.      I think the picture that was
          in the paper was from the 16 mm. camera.

          The window was very dirty.       And I have a ... a picture was

          taken of it.     Shows the ...
Borman    Jim drew a sketch of the window in the S-8/D-13 log.
Lovell    There was a greenish, greasy film over the whole thing right

          in the center.     Outside of that was a sort of a haze or fog
          effect.   Right along the outer edge, it was clear.      If I

          focused on the nose of the spacecraft it would be blurry.

--- PAGE 118 ---
108


         Just off the nose it woul d blurr out.       There are two theories,

         one group of peopl e sey it's the nose cover that is ablating

         on launch, others sey it is       staging.
         We saw quite a bit of flame at staging and it looked like

         there were several streaks there caused by staging.        There

         is also a general deposit like a stagnat ion point right there

         that might have been built up during the entire launch, which

         might be the nose cover.       So, it might be the combination or

         both.

Borman   It might have accumulated due to the urine dumps throughout

         flight.seve~al times we saw urine crystals come·back e.nd hit
         the nose cone. We never saw them actually hit the window.

         I am not sure that some of it, that was practically invisible,

         might have hit the window.        It did seem to get worse with

         flight.   l-zy- window was   not nearly as bad as Jim's.

Lovell   Frank's was better than mine.        Whenever I could I would
         give him the cameras to take a picture.        He did a lot of

         the Apollo landmark and S-5 and S-6 pictures while I was

         controlling the spacecraft.
         We have to improve the windows somehow.        We've got to have

         some sort of cover or get some certain ty:pe of material.
         The windows were perfect when we got in the cockpit.        The

         problem they had on GT-5, where they had fog and humidity
         because of the difference in temperature when the White

--- PAGE 119 ---
109


Room was dismantled, was not there this time.

Intensity control was good, no problem.    We had two white

lights in the center cockpit, this was our request a long

time ago, and after using it I think we ma.de a mistake. We

never did use the thunderstorm light that we stuck in place

of the red light.   Right now Frank and I think we could

have used the red light again because we both did use red

lights a lot more than we thought we were going to, for

night work.   It gets your eyes accustomed to the night, and

you can see the airglow and stars a lot better.    If you have

bright lights on in the cockpit , at night, with glare off the
window and your eyes adjusted to the white lights, you could

never see out.   It ' s just black.

Onboard data: checklist cards preparation, excellent.     I

think the people who made them up , Chuck Stough, has to take

a personal bow because I think that he did an outstanding

job of making up all the onboard data books and cards.        They

are very, very good.   What we did was, tear off the lift-off

cards prior to reentry and just had the reentry section, so

we wouldn't get mixed up.    There are several minor things

which we could change to make it a little bit more compatible ,

like getting one card with all the data on it so we didn't

have to flip the cards back and forth when MCC gave it to us.
As a matter of fact that i s exactly what I ended up doing,

--- PAGE 120 ---
110


          I took the core card, and after I read the various cores for

          the reentry parameters, I got the nominal IVI's, also the

          bank angle updates and things of this nature, all on one

          card·.   Then I went back to the other section and transposed

          them in there .

:Borman   One of t he most i mport ant things about the checklist on

          this flight was t he fact that we had them about a month

          before the fl ight.      We used them in training, and the peop l e

          responsi ble for that di d a great job, Chuck Stough and Ted
          Guillory.

Lovell    That is important.       On GT-4, because of the newness of the
          system, we were still rearranging cards and books just prior

          to the f light.     Learning from that flight, on GT-7 we really

          gained a lot by having the cards and books early in the
          game so we could train with them.

          Checklist cards useful ness was outstanding.

:Borman   The maps and overlays were fine.       We carried the larger
          orbital display m.e.p.     I'm not really sure we needed it.   It

          was a little cumbersome i n the coclq)it.      It was all right,

          but general areas would have been just as readily available

          on a small map.     When we were doing the Apollo landmarks,
          particularly those with coastal features, I thought Apollo

          landmark •        maps were entirely adequate.    I did not see any-
          reason for photographs.       If you really want photographs, the

--- PAGE 121 ---
111



         best way to do it would be to fly over them with an airplane

         and then change the scale to whatever you wanted it.

Lovell   The photographs were important , but I don ' t think you have

         to spend   valuable     fuel and time to get them.    An airplane
         can do the same job getting photographs that we need for

         Apollo landmarks.

Borman   That's right.    No questi on about that.

Lovell   I found it difficult to move the map overlay.

Borman   It got better as the flight went on.

Lovell   Yes , because we wore it in.   The overlay we have , with

         periods , orbits , and the map underneath , I think that can
         be improved.    We needed a very simple device with two rollers

         on the end, or some system a little bit more elaborate, but

         a lot easier to handle.

Borman   I don't know , it worked all right toward the end, Jim.      If

         you get it too elaborate, or too easy to roll , then it is

         going to change on you.

Lovell   It has to have a system where it can ' t change .

Borman   It was valuable.    You knew where you were all the time.

Lovell   We used it more than we used the star charts.       Mainly, we -

         used the star charts for the no platform burns, for retro­

         fire posit i on, and for SEF and BEF positions.

Borman   By and large the maps and overlays were well prepared.       They

         were available early to us.    We knew how to use them and i t

--- PAGE 122 ---
112


         was a very , very fine job by FCSD people responsible for
         them.
Borman   Data books:    We were using a system that was started in GT-4 ,

         furthered in GT-5 and I think it is working out very well.

         If there is any derogatory remarks on it at all , it is the

         r equired amount of logging you have to do.    It is really a

         double entry system.    But, hopefully this will cut down the

         postflight activities and give people a better idea of

         what they are looking for.     I would not suggest even for a

         moment that we change it.     We did delete some of the redun­

         dancy to endeavor to save voice tape.     We tried to log
         everything in the book, but many of the things we did not

         put on voice tape that were already in the book because we

         wanted to save the tape.     We only had 20 tapes for 14 days.

         Everything that was done is in the books.     Most of the
         critical things that were time significant are on the tape .
Borman   Star cha.rte, Polar and Mercator.   We used the Mercator almost
         exclusively.
Lovell   I'm not saying the Polar was not any good, but the Mercator

         was very adequate and we knew how to use it.      I enjoy that
         particular ty:pe of chart a little bit bett er.
Borman   It was preference more than anything else.     We did check the
         Polar out during flight and it was apparently accurate.       I
         didn ' t see any reason to change those star charts either,

--- PAGE 123 ---
113


          did you?

Lovell    No, I think we have enough stars on there.         I think they're

          adequate.

Borman    Stowage at l aunch was a l i ttle gruesome.    When we got in we

          found all the stuff stuffed on the floor over our feet.

          Once we got into orbit and started going through our pre­

          arranged procedure there was absolutely no problem.            We used

          the food bags to put the refuge from each meal in.            We usually

          stored three meals in the front until we were ready to

          dispose of them, and then we would put them behind the seat.

          We filled the debris guard areas we had behind the seats in
          about eight days.       A.fter that we stowed the used ones in the

          bags we had.       For reentry, we placed them over the seats as

          we had done before.       It worked fine.

Lovel l   When we first started training for the flight , there always

          seemed to be a de-emphasis on exactly how much we were going

          to stow.       For instance , the size of the food bags was a lot

          smaller than i t turned out.      The size of the tissue we used

          was a lot smaller.       I think that we ought to look at it

          realistically early and make sure that we get the right
          s i zes.    We were led down the path there on that first

          stowage revi ew in St. Louis.
Borman    Yes .      We caught up with it on the third one    though.     We
          doubled the si ze of everything.

--- PAGE 124 ---
114


Lovell    That i s right .

:Sorman   We took an actual meal and ate i t and got the refuse .

Lovell    It was very fortuna te that we did this .       It caused us to l ook

          for new places to s tow t hi ngs.

:Sorman   As it was it worked out real f i ne.     The cockpit was cleaner

          when we reeentered t han when we left .       Another i t em that

          was very helpful from the cockpit cleanliness standpoint

          were these by-pass hoses with the screens on them.          They

          acted as vacumn cleaners on the whole flight.         All the gar­
          bage and refuse would get collected on them.         We could clean

          them off and put them in the bag and it worked great.

Lovell    We never had any l arge amounts of dandruff or anything
          floating around.

Borman    The harness we took off.       All you can say about the harness

          i s it is a necessary evil .     Once you get it off , it is tough

          to st ow.   J i m, you sat on yours , didn't you?
Lovell    I stowed mine between the seat and the back of the ejection

          seat because it was a dead space for me .

:Sorman   I stowed mine on the outboard si de of t he seat.        We never
          took the life vests off the harness.

:Sorman   Waste disposal and stowage.      We used the aft food boxes for

          the defecation gloves and the urine sample bags.          J i m filled

          up his first and then I started filling up mine.          We ended

          up putti ng one day of food and s ome other refuse in the
                                                    t

--- PAGE 125 ---
115


         left- hand food box in addition to the defecation gloves and

         the urine sample bags.   One thing we :might note is the
         horrible odor every time we opened those boxes to put some­
         thing away.

Lovell   It was a necessary evil, Frank.

Borman   We were a little concerned when we opened the vents on the
         boxes for the reentry that the smell might be with us for a
         couple of hours, because we had to open them early before we
         put our suits on.   But evidently the vent is just fine.     It
         is large enough that it equalized the pressure, but it is
         not large enough that it lets the odors escape into the
         cockpit.
         e.9 Biomedical
         Oral temperature measurements and thermo.m eter, no p:roblem.
         Although, it seems strange to .me that we have to have a TM
         temperature.   That thing got in the way.
Lovell   Yes, the tube got in the way and floated around, and you
         almost poked your eye a couple of times with the thing.      It
         is a thin probe.    It is very awkward because there are two
         of them.   One is in the lightweight headset, and i f you do
         not have the suit on, you have to stick it down through
         here.   If you have the helmet on, it is supposed to be
         sticking out here, and it gets in the way.    If they want
         inflight te.m perature , we should take along a regular

--- PAGE 126 ---
116


         thermometer.    We had a lot of glass in the cockpit.    I do

         not see why we cannot carry some sort of a plastic thermo­

         meter.    It seems ridiculous to me to have to TM a temperature,

Borman   I must admit I did not even know I had a blood pressure cuff

         on except when I filled it up.     It did not cause any skin

         problems or anything.     It is probably as good a way as we

         can go.

Lovell   It seemed like I pumped up nzy- cuff a lot more inflight than

         I had to on the ground for the same measurement.      Sometimes
         we would not get the comment that, your "cuff is full" from

         the ground until after your arm was quite puffed up.      Some­

         times your arm really got to be sore.     I do not know what

         you can do about it.

Borman   We used the M-3 equipment not only for the medical or the

         crew status passes, but we used it regularly three times a
         day.     It is a very valuable piece of equipment.   It ca.me in

         very handy and it certainly was useful for this reason.         I

         guess there is some reason for it for medical data.      I did

         not understand why we could not stow it the last day.      We

         had already checked and they s ai d, "All right, go ahead and

         stow it, you do not need it." Later they said, "You have to
         unstow it.     We want to get one more pass on you the last

         morning of the flight."     After 14 days of flight I did not

         understand why we needed it, but we did it.     Jim left it out,

--- PAGE 127 ---
117


         actually.    You left it right over the circuit breaker panel,

         didn't you?    Did it come out during reentry?

Lovell   No.    There was no problem.

Borman   There is no water problem.

Lovell   There might have been a little air in it because we got air

         in the food all the time.      I do not know how it got in

         because the food packages were evacuated.     We would put the

         gun in and pump it up with water, and yet there was air in

         the food 1every time you opened it up.    There was probably

         some air in the water, but it did not bother us too much.
Borman   No .   I thought it was a minimum amount , too.   The water

         tasted good.    It was cool•   The gun, as we have already

         commented, was very adequate.     I think it is inconceivable

         that we continue to have to log drinks the way we did.        I
         think if people want to know how much water you drink, you

         can read them off the counter on the gun, and that is it.

         We went crazy logging these things by numbers and counter
         numbers and everything else.     It is operationally unacceptable.
Lovell   For flights that are not primarily medical all they have to

         have is a counter reading once or twice a day for the systems

         p~opls,   They could just divide it by the number of crew and

         come out very close to what the actual consumption per man
         is.
Borman   The food , I thought , was by and large   very good.   One

--- PAGE 128 ---
118



         suggestion on the food is that they try to reconfigure the

         meals so that Meal A is more like you would think of as a
         breakfast, with :maybe SQme toast, cereal bars, and sausage
         pattiess rather than fish, potato soup, and clam chowder
         for breakfast.    The idea of .making our day like a regular

         Houston day was a very, very valuable one.       I t would also
         be rather nice to have the meals correspond to the type of
         meal you would eat on the Earth.      We ought to have a break­
         fast that is brea.k fasts a.nd so on with lunch and dinner .
         One breakfast we bad shrimp, sauce, peas, and I think
         potato soup.     This is all right, but it would be more
         desirable to have had something like cereal cubes and sau­
         sage patties and things like that, so.m ething you are more
         used to.
Lovell   The disinfectant pill crumbles.      They would crumble
         when we got them out.      The pieces would flbat about, and if
         they got in your eye they burned because i t i s a chlorine
         base pill of some sort.      It happened to me once early in the
         flight, and it happened to Frank towards the end of the
         flight.    We had to use the exhaust hoses to vacuum down the
         spacecraft to get rid of these things so we wuld not get
         the'!D. in our eyes.   I think tha.t we can probably go to eo.m e­
         thing better in the future.      There is a lot of roo.m for
         i mprovement in food.     It was good.   It was adequate.   We

--- PAGE 129 ---
119


         lasted 14 days.      We could have lasted a lot longer on the
         food.    But that does not mean there is not room for improve-

         ment.
Borman   The concept, as far as packaging and everything goes, is
         good.    What is lacking now is really an adequate quality
         control for uniformity.      If everyone of the food bags had
         been as good as the good ones, there would have been no

         problem.      Some of them did not have velcro on the.m, some
         of them burst, and that sort of thing.
Lovell   You could get the soups out of the spout very easily, but
         trying to get tuna salad and shrimp and sauce out of there
         was a real job.     We should change the size of the spout
         according to the type of food we have.      We noticed at the
         beginning of the flight that dry solids were especially bad.
Borman   Yes .   Beef bites and bacon and egg bites are horrible and
         should be deleted from the menu.
Lovell   GT-5 reported that the beef bites were crumbly.      Every
         single package of beef bites that I got out was crumbs.
         They would float all over the place, and you had to get out
         your exhaust hose and gather them all up again and throw
         the.m away.    If we did not ba.ve that technique, did not have
         the screens on the exhaust hoses, they would either go into
         the ECS sys te.m or float around.    I could see where GT-5
         got an awful lot of crumbs floating around.

--- PAGE 130 ---
120


Borman    Sleep periods .    This is one of the areas where we really

          made a wise decision.     We decided that we would sleep simul­

          taneously on the regular Houston schedule.     We did slide it

          back every day to correspond with the precession of the

          orbit .    When we were scheduled for house-keeping and sleep,

          we would close up the windows.     We found that the polaroid
          filters were not adequate t so , we cut up an aluminized food

          bag and placed it between the window and the polaroid shield.

          Then , it was really dark inside, it cut out the heat, and

          this left us with a real simulated night.     As far as we were

          concerned, it was night time .    We would get up the next day ,

          go to work , and it kept us regular.    It kept ue relatively

          on a constant type of schedule.     I thought it was very ,

          very good.

Love ll   We are going to have to go to that for any of the long

          flights , any of the lunar missions.    For any of the long

          flights we are going to need to use a regular Houston or
          Cape day and not change the routine .

Borman    On Apollo , with three men , you probably will have to stand
          a watch.

Lovell    True.     But still, you are going to have to keep from getting

          too irregular.     I thought sleeping in zero- g was very com­
          fortable .    I slept like a log that first week.
Borman    Yes, I had troubles sleeping.     The M-1 was the culprit.    It

--- PAGE 131 ---
121


          was a pain in the neck.       We decided to leave it on though

          on the theory that if we turned it off the first thing the

          experimenter would say was, ''Well you turned it off'.         It

          was not a valid test ."      Then some crew in the future would

          have to fly with the thing.       So, we left it on for two

          weeks and listened to it " clank".      As far as I know it
          didn ' t do any good.     Maybe that ' s the end of the M-1.

          Invariably, in a state of semi- consciousness it would rouse

          me again.     I did not like that.

 Lovell   Sleep configuration was very easy.       You just clasp your
                                   .
          hands t ogether and hold them there. When you wake up your

          bands are still clasped together.       There are no pressure

          points.     You can have a book up there , go to sleep holding

          the book, and wake up the next morning and the book is still

          right there , still at the same page .      It was outstanding.

          If mattress companies ever find out how to make a zero-g
          mattress they would really have a fortune .

Borman    Sleep period mission briefing.       It followed the way we were
          briefed.     Very good.
Lovell    Fl ight controll ers were very outstanding.      Keeping quiet

          during the sleep period.       As a matter of fact, they even
          called up Wally one time and told him to be quiet.          Yes ,

          they told him to be quiet .      It was our sleep period.
Borman    Everything went fine.

--- PAGE 132 ---
122



                       9. 0   OPERATIONAL CHECKS

          9.1   Apollo Land.mark Investigation

Borman    We should first mention the weather because this casts some

          reflection on the whole i dea of Apollo l andmarks as a navi­

          gational aid.     The weather was the big bugaboo i n this

          flight as far as achieving any Apollo land.mark photography .

          I do not know whether it was the particular t argets we were
          trying to get or what.     Invariably, there were clouds.

 Lovell   As can be seen from the map , anything south of 15 degrees
          north l atitude in Africa is no good for Apollo landmarks

          because it is i nvariably cloudy.      South of 15 degrees north

          l at i t ude is invari abl y too cloudy for Apollo land.marks .

 Borman   Right.

 Lovell   Al l of South Ameri ca is out .   As a matter of fact everything.

          south of 15 degrees north latitude all the way across the
          m~p is no good.     We found out that North Africa and South­

          west United States and parts of Mexico , as previous crews

          stated a long time ago, (that includes Saudi Arabia , Paki stan

          Va lley) have predominantly clear weather in the morning, but
          not in the afternoon .

 Borman   The Red Sea area was one of the clear areas all the t i me .
          Even the South-west U.S. and Mexico were clobbered most of
          the time on our flight .

--- PAGE 133 ---
123


Lovell   Right.   Weather is the big bugaboo on Apollo landmarks, or

         using earth land.marks for Apollo.

Borman   The acquisition data was good.      The pointing data was good

         on all the experiment updates, except for one.        They missed

         the time on an S-5.      We caught it, and did it ourselves be­

         cause we knew where the a.rea was supposed to be.      The point­

         ing data given was great throughout     the flight.    The updat­

         ing wa.s fine.   We bad no problem.a at all.   Pointing instruc­

         t ions were good.

Borman   Concerning taking acquisiti on photographs for the Apollo

         l andmarks, it was pretty dam hard to determine anyt hing

         when we pitched 30 degrees down to pick up the landmarks.

         We could not pick out the air f i elds or anything.     We would

         point the camera and take a picture, but we did not lmow

         what we were taking pictures of.     We could not see it with

         the naked eye.      I am thinking of the airfield in Brazil.

         We took this acquisition picture without any idea of what

         we were taking a picture of until we finally got to the

         nadir.   Then, we looked down and could see the runw~.         I

         think it was in Belam Province in Brazil .     The weather was
         a very definite f actor in photographing the Apollo l a.nd­

         ma.rks, and of course, it wuld be a very definite factor in

         using the Apollo landmarks o

Lovell   We had to use the sun angl e that we had at the time we got

--- PAGE 134 ---
124


          over the target.
Borma.n   Evidently the people who called them up were taking this into

          consideration, because the sun angles for a ll the Apollo

          l andmark attempts were good as far as photography goes.

          Sightings were tough on a lot of them, primarily because

          of clouds.
Lovell    Apollo l andmarks of i nterior Afri ca, whi ch they gave us

          several times, (like islands, lakes, Leopoldville in the

          middle of the Congo) , were very difficult because there is

          nothing down there but jungle and little streams and things.

Borman    By far the best l andmarks a re interfaces of beaches and

          water.
Lovell    That i s right .    Sandy beaches with blue water.   There is

          no doubt about that.

Borman    There i s good contrast, and with a good map you do not need
          the photographs .     I do not understand the value of the pho­

          tographs, I do not see why they do not engage the Army Ma.p
          Service to aeri a l photograph these areas and print the

          pictures accordi.ng t o the see.le they want.   It would be a

          rel ati vely easy j ob to do and certainly would be much less

          expensive than taking the fuel to do it on an operational

          mtssion.

Borman    The designated targets were clouded over more often than
          not.     We did take some alternate targets and pointed out

--- PAGE 135 ---
125



         some prominent featu:res along coastlines in Africa.    We
         have them logged and we will be able to go over them with

         t he Apollo landmark people.   Even an area like Dakar, which
         you would think would be a r elatively clear area, we tried
         three times to photograph and each time it was cloudy.

Lovell   Mostly in the afternoon.

Borman   The maps and Apollo landmark data package was all right.
         One of the problems with the maps was it is difficult to
         orient the map segments on the page, so that several of the

         targets were anywhere near the middle of the map.      You might
         end up with a map with an Apollo landmark right on the edge
         of it.   It is then difficult to associate the surrounding
         terrain with it .   The big map that we had in the front of

         the book solved a lot of this problem.    We could get the big
         picture from the big map and then go to the detailed one for
         the detailed pictures.

Borman   Photographs, 350 and 352, the Cairo area, you don't need a
         photograph of the Nil e River running into the Mediterranean.
         That was one of the most prominent features we had.      The
         Suez Canal , the Red Sea, and the coast of Arabia were loud
         and clear the whole flight.    The junction of the two rivers,

         the white Nile and the blue Nile, were also very prominent.
         Again, you did not need a photograph to

--- PAGE 136 ---
126


          determine those.

 Lovell   The Red Sea and the Gul f of Eden as it goes into the
          Arabian Sea were very prominent.
Borman    Yes.

Lovell    The 90 degree bend was very , very prominent .
Borman    We have a difference of opinion here , but I thought the maps
          were entirely adequate.    Mountains were, as far as we could

          tell , adequately portrayed, a l though , we did not have any

          landmarks that were in the mountainous area.     Most of ours

          for some reason were in the tropical areas and they were

          cloudy all the time.    The cities that we saw were by and
          large over the United States .
Lovell    We did not really see much in the way of cities.     We saw the

          Australian   cities at night , we could see the lights from
          them.
Borman    We saw small towns along the coast of Mexico.
Lovell    Also South America.    I wonder what the difference in alti­
          tude does to visibility of landmarks? I am sure that your
          visibility is going t o really go down .   I think that is
          what happened.
Borman    Maybe , although when we were in an orbit of 120 by 178 , I

          could not tell the difference.    One difference of course ,

          is we were in the darkness at 178 .   When we were r eally

          looki ng we were around 120 to 140.   I never got the feeling

--- PAGE 137 ---
127


              that I was going up hill or going down hill in the elliptical

              orbit.

Lovell        We saw one good airport.     I thought it was Ellington, and it
              turned out to be Houston International.

Borma.n       We also saw that one in South America very well.      I t stood

              out loud and clear, that white runway on the Apollo landmark.
              When we finally got over it there was a break in the clouds

              and at the last minute we got a picture of it.

Lovell        Airports in general would stand out.

BOl!l!liBl1   Coastlines are the answer.     They are by far the beet land­

              marks you have.    I do not think islands a.re too good for
              landmarks unless they are relatively large; small islands

              are tough to pick up.

Lovell        And they are usually covered by clouds.

Borman        Color contrast between land and water was very good, parti­
              cularly along sandy beaches.    We had onboard some photographs

              that were taken on GT-5 with the actual scene we were

              viewing.   We were able to compare the color of these photo­

              graphs.    We found it then to be very, very close.    One
              strange phenomena is that greens don't come through.         The

              very green jungles of Brazil and Africa appeared almost a

      

This text is truncated. The complete file is available at the official source.

View the official file

Congressional Context

No confirmed links between this file and the congressional record yet. Connections are added only when the source text supports them, never inferred.