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NASA-UAP-D007: Skylab Technical Crew Debriefing 1973

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Launched on May 14, 1973, Skylab was the United States’ first laboratory in space. From 1973 to 1974, the station was visited by three crews. This docum…

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         SKYLAB 1/2
          TECHNICAL
       CREW DEBRIEFING

              JUNE 30, 1973



                 PREPARED BY
             TRAINING OFFICE

CREW TRAINING AND SIMULATION DIVISION


       NOTICE: This document may be exempt from public disclosure under
       the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S. C. 552). Requests for its
       release to persons outside the U. S. Government should be handled
       under the provisions of NASA Policy Directive 1382 .2.




             Natwnal Aeronautics and Space Administration
        LYNDON B. JOHNSON SPACE CENTER
                              Houston, Texas

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KERWIN     Unusual or Unexpected Visual Phenomenon.       We saw light flashes.
(CONT'D)
           I think all of us saw them.       I saw them most often when I was

           in the sack at night with my eyes closed but awake naturally.

           They tended to wax and wane in frequency.       Someone asked me if

           that was in conjunction with the South Atlantic anomaly.       It

           may have been.     I didn't have the pad with me at that time and

           I don't know.     They were numerous at times - two or three per

           minute.


CONRAD     Some of them to me were a spot or sunbursts.      Some were streaks.

           The streaks, in my case, were less frequent than the bursts.

           Most of them were in my peripheral visual field.      Very few in

           the central visual fieJ.d.    I don't know why.


Q,UERY     You could isolate them to one eye, couldn't you?


KERWIN     No, I couldn't.


WEITZ      I would say mine were primarily in the left eye for some

           reason.


:::oNRAD   You have to concentrate but you can determine they are in one

           eye.


:IBRWIN    I did not.   That was foolish of me but I didn't try.      I'm sure

           they are in one eye.




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CONRAD   Sometimes I'd be lying there with my eyes half closed, and I'd

         see a fire sensor wink.


KERWIN   And you'd have to be careful that you weren't confusing that

         with the fire flash.     Once you've seen a few of each, there is

         question of which is which.        They're not an hallucination.


KERWIN   We didn't feel it was operationally necessary for anybody to

         know about it right now.


WEITZ    I had a couple that I thought were cosmic particles.        I saw

         an entrance streak and an exit streak.


CONRAD   Yes, I did too.


WEITZ    Where, bing-bing, it seemed like it was one side of the eyeball,

         and then the other side.


CONRAD   One night I remember that there was a long shot then it was

         blank then there was a long shot in rapid succession, of

         course, but very definitely in and out - or across the eye.


KERWIN   Medical Kits and IMSS.     As far as adequate quantity of medica­

         tion and supplies, I would guess we used about 0.01 percent

         of the available medication.       I think this is something for

         me to sit down with the doctors and talk about.       There is

         plenty of medicine up there for the Skylab missons.       There is



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                   SKYLAB 1/3
             TECHNICAL
           CREW DEBRIEFING

                       PREPARED BY
                   TRAINING OFFICE
CREW TRAINING AND SIMULATION DIVISION




  NOTICE: This document may be exempt from public disclosure
  under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U. S .C. 552). Requests
  for its release to persons outside the U.S. Government shou Id be
  handled under the provisions of NASA Policy Directive 1382 .2.




                    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
               LYNDON B. JOHNSON SPACE CENTER
                                      Houston, Texa,s

                              OCTOBER 4, 1973

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BEAN         I did too.    The sack would move over in the corner.


LOUSMA       Things we saw out the window.


GARRIOTT     For example, we saw that satellite about a week before splash­

             down.    That was one of the most unusual things that we saw

             and I guess Jack noticed it looking out the window.        This

             bright reddish object was out there and we tracked it for

             about 5 or 10 minutes.     It was obviously a satellite in a very

             similar orbit to our own.        It was rotating and had a period

             of almost exactly 10 seconds because you could see the bright­

             ness vary with that period.        We followed it until sunset and

             it went out of sunlight just about 5 to 7 seconds after we

             did.     It held its position nearly the same, in the wardroom

             window for that 10-minute interval although we could see it

             drift in relative positions slightly, maybe 10 to - 20 degrees

             during the course of that 10-minute interval.        It was reddish

             in color even when we were well above the horizon.        As we

             approached sunset, it turned more reddish, presumably because

           . of the sunlight change.        What satellite it was and how it

             happened to end up in such a similar orbit, no one ever explained

             to us.    And I would like to hear a few words from someone about

             that satellite.




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BEAN     You bet.     We never saw it again.   You'd think we would have

         seen it the next night or it would cycle by another time.

         Maybe it did and we weren't looking out the window.


LOUSMA   You might point out that it never did take the shape of an

         object but it was always brighter than any other star or

         planet in the night sky.     It was much brighter.


BEAN     We tried monitors and everything on it but we could never

         make it into anything other than a bright light.


LOUSMA   In doing T002, I had on other occasions, at least once or

         twice, seen other satellites although they appeared as star

         points of light.


BEAN     Let's talk about caution/warnings at night and in the daytime.

         I noticed at first when we did have caution/warnings in the

         daytime we all whistled up there real quick to see what was

         happening.    Then as the mission wore on, we tended to just let

         whoever was closest take a look.      Without the TACS on, there

         isn't a lot that can go on exc~pt rapid DELTA-P which sounds

         different than any of the other caution/warnings, particularly

         just a caution.    I recommend to Jerry and his crew, and I'm

         sure that this recommendation will be hard to live by, that

         caution/warnings don't appear to be anything you have to hurry

         and resolve or stop doing your tasks to race up to the panel


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20.0   VISUAL SIGHTINGS


LOUSMA     Let's talk about visual sightings.     Any comments on countdown.

           You saw your way to the booster or you didn't see that.

           Visual sighting no problem there.


BEAN       You might want to talk about the visual sightings on that

           orbit when Owen and Jack saw the satellite.


LOUSMA     Yes, let's go through countdown.      Any visual sightings on

           countdown that were significant?      We saw the swing arm go

           away and all that kind of thing.


           Powered Flight:    I watched the booster protector cover go

           off and lots of flashes and debris and everything in every

           separation, but that's all norminal.      During orbit: -


GARRIOTT   Do you want to talk about that satellite?


LOUSMA     I saw a couple of satellites that appeared like a satellite

           would on the Earth.    I saw one that was not like one you

           would see on Earth, so why don't you mention it.


GARRIOTT   Okay, about a week or 10 days before recovery and we were

           still waiting for information to be supplied to us about the

           indentification.   Jack first noticed this rather large red star

           out the wardroom window.     Upon close examination, it was much

           brighter than Jupiter or any of the other planets.      It had

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GARRIOTT   a reddish hue to it, even though it was well above the
(CONT'D)
           horizon.   The light from the Sun was not passing close to

           the Earth's limb at the time.     We observed it for about

           10 minutes prior to sunset.     It was slowly rotating because

           it had a variation in brightness with a 10-second period.

           As I was saying, we observed it for about 10 minutes, until

           we went into darkness, and it also followed us into darkness

           about 5-seconds later.    From the 5- to 10-second delay in

           it's disappearance we surmised that it was not more than 30

           to 50 nautical miles from our location.     From it's original

           position in the wardroom window, it did not move more than

           10 or 20 degrees over the 10 minutes or so that we watched it.

           It's orbit was very close to that of our own.     We never saw

           it on any - earlier or succeeding orbits and we'd be quite

           interested in having its identification established.      It's

           all debriefed in terms of time on channel A, so the percise

           timing and location can be picked up from there.


LOUSMA     Okay, other visual sightings was the one out the wardroom

           window.    That sunrise or sunset which finally led us to the

           RCS leak in the command module.     It disappeared like

           thousands and thousands of stars out there; all of them

           different sizes and drifting along the X-axis.     The one that

           we already mentioned.    The one right after insertion where

           we saw the leak in the same manner of the RCS streaming towards

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              SKYLAB 1/4
              TECHNICAL
           CREW DEBRIEFING

             FEBRUARY 22, 1974

                        PART       I

                   PREPARED BY
               TRAINING OFFICE
    CREW TRAINING AND PROCEDURES DIVISION




               NOTICE: This document may be exempt from public
               disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act


I              (5 U.S. C. 552). Requests for its release to persons
               outside the U. S. Government should be handled under
               the provisions of NASA Policy Directive 1382 .2.


               National Aeronautics and Space Adminutration
            LYNDON B. JOHNSON SPACE CENTER
                                Houston, Texa,s

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GI:E,SON    are still on the windows. Just what that material is, I'm not
( C(,NT 'D)
            sure. But the remaining pieces should be useful for contamina-

         tion studies.


CA:E:R   One other item is the ammonia odor in the head which we dis-

         covered about the last week in the mission.     We weren't sure what

         was causing it.     Bill had changed out the charcoal canister.

         We disconnected the boot between the charcoal canister and the

         blower above it and took a sniff of that.     We smelled, no ammonia

         there.     When we connected the boot back up to the blower, a

         very strong ammonia odor came from the blower output.     Thus it

         appears that the source of the smell was the blower unit itself

         and not the charcoal canister.     As we said in our report of it

         to the ground, we decided that it was tolerable for the rest of

         the mission.     Therefore, we didn't get into the mode of finding

         another blower to put in there.     I feel that the odor very

         definitely increased in intensity during the final week of the

         mission.


CA1R     One other area of unusual events that we reported on the dump

         tapes was that on occasion we saw some lights flashing outside

         with very a definite motion relative to ours.     We presumed that

         they were other pieces of Skylab, or possibly other satellites.

         We reported our two or three sightings of that kind as soon as

         they occurred.    We have no special comments concerning them,


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CARR       but we did find it very interesting to be able to see other
(CONT'D)
           objects up there with us.     The fact that one or two of them

           appeared to be tumbling was apparently due to the oscillation

           of the light flashes that we were getting from them.


POGUE      The OWS Heat Exchangers:     There's a major design flaw there in

           that filters were not installed upstream of the OWS heat exchanger

           vanes.     When we first arrived, the vanes were so uniformly coated

           with lint that I thought there was some kind of anodized surface

           on them.     I was never fully convinced that I had done the

           vacumming job properly; therefore, I fabricated a special tool

           that fit flush against those surface vanes so that I could

           exert a good vacuum.     Though they are not supposed to be con­

           densive heat exchangers, I sucked quite a bit of condensate water

           out of them.     I tried the best I could to keep those things

           clean, yet I never did get all that lint pulled out of there.

           That is why I think we needed a filter in the system.


GIBSON     EVA anomalies might also be mentioned here.     For example, you

           had the water leak outside, and I also got a water leak.


POGUE      One thing that was not mentioned on air-to-ground as a possible

           cause of the problem was the single-point failure that exists

           in the mechanical way that the PCU composite connector is

           hooked to the PCU.     I was able during EVA, maneuvering through

           the clothesline ropes, not only to open the lock but also to

           extend the arm which pulls the PCU composite connector off.


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